i dont think anyone here would buy a full size dodge P/U unless it had Cummins in it

 

This is all a huge ploy by Ford. First they are terminating their relationship with International to produce an "in house" diesel, thereby allowing them to do whatever they want as well as start attracting more and more customers. Secretly they are trying to get Fiat to drop the Cummins engine in all the Rams, thereby leaving Cummins without a truck to put their engine in. Then who swoops in? Ford of course, saying that for economical reasons, they will not offer their new 6.7 anymore, and will start a new relationship with Cummins and will now offer the blessed "B" in Ford trucks. The Ram will dissappear, and the Duramax will spend its life playing catch-up....hmmmmm that could work ultimately giving a lot of people their dream truck, only problem is that once Ford gets their hands on the Cummins, they will have to put their "influence" on it and destroy it.

 

makes perfect business sense on Fiats part why outsourse when you have it in house but on the other hand why change a proven money maker. IMO I'd keep the Cummins as an option and offer there inhouse diesel and widen there market on HD & LD diesels ...

 

If Fiat was thinking about doing this they would need to make some kind of following for the "new" IVECO powerplant. The best way to do that would be to drop a little one into a Dakota or something. Once that little oil burner earns some good rep, then you could offer its big brother to the HD market. Maybe even as a secondary option to the Cummins. That is the only way I see Fiat making this work.
DS79

 

I agree with some that it would be a huge mistake, I have to say that I would be very dissapointed in them for doing so, but why change what works? It seems that most things that are tried and true, someone has to go and change it. Too many good things are ruined from changes like this. I wonder if dodge trucks will go up in value? What will happen for getting parts?

 

We might not have to worry about it--just watch the new "Ram" commerical. If that doesn't drive sales into the dumper nothing will!
Jay

 

The new Jeep commercial is no much better.

 

Is Chicken Little back? How many threads like this have we read? Let's not slit our wrists just yet. For all we know, this is a Ford ad to get CTD buyers in their showroom.
I think even Italians know enough to not mess with an "ICON". Drink 6 beers tonite and get on with life.

 

If Ford gets the Cummins and puts an Allison behind it, I'm in!

 

I remember a similar rumor when Daimler bought Chrysler. Daimler builds diesels too... lot's of 'em- but we see now that they saw the daylight and decided to leave a good thing alone.

The cost-of-entry to get a new engine (or worse, upgrade an existing design) to EPA on-highway standards is pretty darn high. It'd be really tough to make such a business case even without all the potential for losing customers.

 

If they can do a better job of handling the emissions on diesels than throwing a bunch of hardware and urea at it then I'm in.

My Cummins has been great but the new stuff has too much stuff on it. Dang it, I am beginning to sound like one of those old 12V guys.

 

Case/New Holland (CNH) is owned by the Fiat Group = CDC partially owned by the Fiat Group. CDC maker of 5.9L and 6.7L engines.

Chrysler owned by Fiat Group. therefore, Cummins is not going away, as Fiat group has money in CDC (along with Cummins). So, every time a Dodge Ram gets a Cummins put in it, Fiat makes money on it!

I have owned Case IH equipment and here's the scoop. 9.0L engines and smaller are produced by CDC and marketed as a 'Case' engine. All of the larger engines Case used (QSX 15L) were Cummins. This is because the CDC deal does not include the larger engines. Case has been putting IVECO engines in their larger equipment, because one of Fiat's brands is IVECO, so they don;t have to pay a premium for a Cummins. But all of the other Case equipment gets a CDC built engine.

 

The twisted logic and short-term vision of the bean counters running the car companies in this country is what got them into the financial trouble they are in now. Don't they know that 99% of us who buy a Dodge pickup do so for the Cummins engine?

That short-range stupidity continues. At a time when they should be looking to increase sales they are shutting down dealerships all over the country. The editor - who drives a Cummins Ram - of one of the 4x4 magazines I read reports that Chrysler will be shutting down ALL dealerships in southern Utah. That means anyone living in that area will have a 4-hour drive to Salt Lake or to Las Vegas in Nevada if they need parts/service, etc. What a way to increase sales! As people in these areas that have been abandoned by Chrysler (and GM also) get around to replacing their vehicles, if there is no Chrysler dealer nearby, are they going to buy another Chrysler product? I hardly think so! A few years into the future and Ford may be the only truck manufacturer left - and that ain't good! Competition is what drives improvements.

Should Chrysler really drop Cummins I guess I'll have to look at my options. I will make my current one last the rest of my life - or I'll buy a Ford and drop a Cummins into it. That way I'll at least be able to get what parts and service I need locally!

 

The article says as early as 2011. I really don't see how they could re-tool the factories and re-engineer the Ram in one year to make a different engine fit.

 

Perhaps both engines will be offered much like the engine options offered in Class 8 trucks. Still don't understand why truck manufacturers treat the 3500, 4500, and 5500 series as pickups. GM had it closest with the Topkick offering factory air ride suspension, air ride cab, tilt fibergalss hood, etc. Give us engine options other than one gas motor and one diesel motor. Same with transmissions, offer the Aisian along with the Allison. Competition and choice is a good thing.

John