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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:15 PM
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We ordered a split load Fuel, that consisted of 2000gal reg. unleaded and 5800gal. of off road diesel. When the tranport arrived, the driver pumped of most of the diesel and had problems with a compartment. When fixed he resumed pumping and inadvertently pumped a 1000gal. of reg unleaded E10% in with it. Transport Co. talked me into just adding more diesel to the tank to dilute.
Here is the dilution:
Starting inv. 3600gal diesel
pumped off 5800gal diesel
unleaded gas 1000 gas
dilution load 7600gal diesel
Total about 17000gal. diesel and 1000gal. of gas.

My question of course is, are we still to hot. We run all ages of diesel engines, from the old 1971 855 cummins to the 06 5.9s, with a few John Deere in between. Again all ages and fuel pressures. I would note that the fuel company we bought from advised not to do it, to pump it all out.

All of this is still sitting in the tank. I have not let any be pumped off until I checked here first.


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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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Schew. Usually we get people that pumped 8 or so gallons before they looked down and realized they weren't holding a green handle.

That is a tough one. Filling it up (diluting) will work, but it will take time. As in, running it down 1/4, filling it back up, repeat, repeat. I would recommend getting some cases of Stanadyne, easier to just dose the equipment as it gets filled up than try to treat several thousand gallons of fuel in the tank.

BTW, the standard answer for someone who pumps over a half tank of GAS into a diesel truck is to get somewhere where you can pump it off, then re-fill with diesel and treat the tank. Guess that doesn't apply here......
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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17 to 1 is still a fairly good cut of gas to have in there.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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At least, get a statement from them that it is duluted. Ask them to stand behind it and cover any issues with the use of it!
Protect yourself.
Now, with that said, I doubt you will have any problems using it.
The newer diesels willl have more issues than the old ones.
I know of an old diesel mechanic that swears they always added %10 gas to their trucks---for millions of miles and never had a issue. He said the injectors/nozzles were always clean and spraying right when inspected.
I am sure I will get some negative comments on this!!!
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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Run it, I would hope that 1000 gals of gas is free for your troubles, and hope that they do it again.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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I agree with P.J. here.
You will probably be OK but I would just treat the vehicles as you use them. Maybe do this until you get about half way through the big tank and then refill with diesel to top it off. That would put you to a much safer 34 to 1 ratio.
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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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Thanks guys. The owner of the transport co. says this happens all the time at stations, none the wiser. When forced to act they pump out and take the diesel/gas mix to a local hauling company running new Macks with no problems.

Wonder what symptoms to look or listen for.

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Old Aug 1, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by billyh

Wonder what symptoms to look or listen for.

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You may notice a noisier Diesel engine. (knocking sound)

I would hope this does not happen all the time at gas stations, this would not meet EPA standards for the type of fuel they advertise. This would be fraud.
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 08:29 AM
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From: North Carolina or Kentucky. Take your pick
Check specific gravity. If low for #2 (very probable) then add a low grade of motor oil to get speicific gravity closer, plus a large dose of a lubricity additive such as is added to ULSD fuel.
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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The fuel company advised to pump it out and you ask a bunch of strangers with no financial interest in your equipment if you should or not. Unbelievable.
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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I would have them pump it out immediately. Their mistake they fix it. If you should keep it, and have problems down the road you can be sure you will be in court. Adding to more expense and time.
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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 03:56 PM
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I would have them pump it out immediately. Their mistake they fix it. If you should keep it, and have problems down the road you can be sure you will be in court. Adding to more expense and time.

Exactly what I would do.


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Old Aug 2, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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QUOTE=GAmes;2165381]The fuel company advised to pump it out and you ask a bunch of strangers with no financial interest in your equipment if you should or not. Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]

Don't you know after as many posts as you have, there are no strangers here. Only friends and opinions.

But, this morning we filled all the Honda tanks at the gas pump and pure ethanol came out of the nozzle. Not one made it away from the pump. I wonder where the ethanol is in the diesel tank. Straight loads of ethanol have been dropped at 2 different stations in the area.

I'll get the transport company to pump the tank. Or at least get it diluted to 34:1

Thanks for all your opinions
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 12:29 AM
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I had a fuel company pump antifreeze into my storage tank many years ago. It took out my NTC 350 Cummins. I had no idea that it was in there. The end result was the fuel company told me to get lost, see ya in court. I paid for the repair of my engine. Court would have cost me more. In time, money, and life. You have them admitting to the mistake get it fixed.
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Old Aug 3, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayten
I had a fuel company pump antifreeze into my storage tank many years ago. It took out my NTC 350 Cummins. I had no idea that it was in there. The end result was the fuel company told me to get lost, see ya in court. I paid for the repair of my engine. Court would have cost me more. In time, money, and life. You have them admitting to the mistake get it fixed.
There you have it, that's why I'm here, EXPERIENCE.

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