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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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4Ks without hd springs?

What are the dangers of running the 4kgsk without hd valve springs?
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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Floating valves meeting up with tops of pistons that is if you spin the motor up that high.

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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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Does anybody have the cummins part number for those?

Thanks, Aaron
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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 04:26 PM
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What are the dangers of running the 4kgsk without hd valve springs?

None really if u watch ur tach

I run the 4K kit without them at the moment, and without keepers and retainers, Yeah i know someone me. Anyways So long as you do not rev the engine excessively above 3200-3500 RPMS ull be ok. Remember its at about 3700 or so that valve float starts to occur, so keep it below that and ull be fine..

Anyways by then, as another safety measure for me, my tach is at 3300 or so and my pyro is in the red with my fuel, so for me savin my headgasket, pistons, and valves all runs in one But im "minorly" overfueled

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Old Jul 19, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Can you even get 4Krpms out of a 180 pump with stock dvs?
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 12:14 AM
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Thanks for the replies. Can you even get 4Krpms out of a 180 pump with stock dvs?
doubt it!!!

and, We are running 4k gsk in our 95 dodge 215 std now too, without HD valve springs, i just bought a set of only HD springs from a guy for 108 bucks,
PM me if ya wanna see if he got another set for ya!

and i know New Era Diesel sells them for 150 bucks!

the HD springs are a loooot taller and stiffer and thicker!
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 02:23 AM
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Does anybody have the cummins part number for those?
3916691 http://www.haisleymachine.com/PERFOR...20PRODUCTS.htm
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 11:20 AM
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With an Auto tranny - 4GSK is fine without valve springs. You'd have to purposely push it to get it to rev up there (like in neutral, etc...)
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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no danger... I had them in my 215 pump... just don't go over 3400ish, and you'll be fine
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 02:58 AM
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Got them installed tonight. Throttle isnt horribly touchy like i expected. So far ive had it to 3500 and it runs pretty clean. Im afraid to go over 3500rpm but i still have some pedal left so im pretty sure i could get at least about 3800 or so out of it if i had the HD valve springs.
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Old Jul 23, 2006 | 07:44 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Can you even get 4Krpms out of a 180 pump with stock dvs?
Yes. Mine will do 4450+. I don't have the stomach to rev it higher.

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Old Jul 23, 2006 | 11:34 PM
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Yes. Mine will do 4450+. I don't have the stomach to rev it higher.

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Hey Brandon what are you using for a tach? My stocker only goes 4k
Still lovin that trans? How high does it shift durring a WOT run?
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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 12:22 AM
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The stock tach will run higher if you pull the pin out. I like the trans, but I'm having tuning issues. Its shifting at WOT right as the power falls off around 3800. The problem is that light throttle street driving causes it to go 1-2-3-OD within the first 30 mph. I can't tune the TV cable any more, so I think I'll need a different VB?

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Old Jul 24, 2006 | 12:34 AM
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Yeah that was one of my concerns when I was talking to Bill and Steffan but they assured me it could be done so.......? I plan on doing the trans after the kids are back in school since its too busy with them out. I will pm you in a month or so to see how you have made out. Good luck with it
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