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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 12:39 PM
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Do you Need aFuel Permit or License?

A couple of days ago I received a Publication sent to me by DMV. This is sent to all registered owners following a change in registration. If you are using your Ram for towing commercially it may apply to you. Even though each state has its own regulations you may wish to check with your own state DMV. Here is a copy of the portion pertaining to Diesels:
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 04:13 PM
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Without the fuel permit, states that require this little piece of paper, can stop you and fine you for the amount of tax you owe for the amount of fuel you would use while driving in their state. Otherwise, you are required to settle up with them at the end of the year (fuel tax stamp/permit). That stops commercial vehicles from fueling at the border to avoid buying fuel in more expensive states and thus avoiding the high fuel tax in places like Kalifornia.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 05:53 PM
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That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 &quot;discount&quot;. Now it'll only be about $85 a year. <br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 05:59 PM
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Re:Do you Need aFuel Permit or License?

to aviod this tax problem buy some fuel in that state and keep the reciept for proof that you bought fuel and that should be able to keep them off your ***.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 06:37 PM
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[quote author=rich (cowboy) link=board=11;threadid=6829;start=0#64519 date=1036886354]<br>to aviod this tax problem buy some fuel in that state and keep the reciept for proof that you bought fuel and that should be able to keep them off your ***.<br>[/quote]<br><br>That won't help a bit, in any state that requires a permit.
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Old Nov 9, 2002 | 09:55 PM
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[quote author=shortfieldbreak link=board=11;threadid=6829;start=0#64518 date=1036886015]<br>That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 &quot;discount&quot;. Now it'll only be about $85 a year. <br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.<br>[/quote]<br><br>Oh, SFB, I guess we have another surprise for you when you &quot;land&quot; in Washington State. We're going through some revising of the rates (outrageous, I might add) and you might want to put Washington plates on when you arrive. I just renewed my tags last September and they were only $65.00. We just passed a new initiative measure this last election which offers $30. tabs on your car, truck, motercycle, motorhome, and other vehicles. We'll see how it survives after the politicians quit messing with it. Hey, just another bonus to think of. Now you can pay for that rain coat!!!<br><br>~dave
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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 12:12 AM
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Well, Dave, I already have a cool raincoat, and personally I think TX plates look pretty dang good on a truck. I do like WA though. We'll see. Maybe you and some of the other NWB types can shame me into getting WA plates.<br>-SFB
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Old Nov 10, 2002 | 08:47 AM
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Shame you? No, usually doesn't work that way. But if you don't mind words like &quot;flatlander&quot; and &quot;furriner&quot;, well that's your choice. If you want cool, pay more than you need to. That's good bombing money wasting away, hehehehe. At least you won't have California plates on. Oregonians are really less tolerant than we. <br><br>~Dave
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 12:00 PM
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It looks like that you got was information on IFTA (international fuel tax agreement) which only applies to vehicles with a registered weight of 26,001 or greater OR three axle trucks that travel INTERSTATE (between states). The CA fuel trip permit is a temporay permit for vehicles not in IFTA but that meet the defination of qualified vehicles and make a one-time trip into CA.<br><br>IFTA came about in about 1995 and you pay any road taxes (when you did not purchase enough fuel in a particular state to cover the amount of fuel you burned) to your base jurisdiction and they distribute the fees to the other jurisdictions. Prior to IFTA you had to have a fuel license for all jurisdictions you operated in - which meant you also had to file a quarterly tax report in all of those jurisdictions as well. Thru IFTA you can use your credits (purchased more fuel than you burned) from one jurisidiction in the jurisdictions you didnt buy enough fuel in.<br><br>Unless you are 26,001 and over gross weight you dont have to worry about IFTA..<br><br><br>
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 12:42 PM
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[quote author=shortfieldbreak link=board=11;threadid=6829;start=0#64518 date=1036886015]<br>That's why I don't plan on living in CA again, and registered my truck in TX when I had to renew. CA wanted $455 for one year, including a $390 &quot;discount&quot;. Now it'll only be about $85 a year. <br><br>CA is waaaay to expensive for me. I kinda fit into TX better anyway.<br>[/quote]<br><br>How do you get away with registering your vehicle in a state that you don't live in. Around here that results in a hefty fine, IN law states that you have 30 days after moving to obtain IN plates and DL. Most of the time you can slide until its time to renew with out to much trouble.
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 04:42 PM
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If you are employed in a state and live in a state most states declare you a legal resident to collect taxes. For persons retired they may live in several locations but may establish legal residence in a state of their choice. To extablish a legal residence you must have a physical address where you are living. You then get a driver's license, register vehicles, register to vote using that address. In addition vehicle insurance company is notified of your address. If you are drawing a pension or Social Security you notify them of your change of address. You do not have to live in the state of legal residence, you must have intention to return there sometime in the future. If they have income tax you will of course file the necessary tax to the state of legal residence.<br><br>Full-time RVers maintain a legal residence in one state but probably do not own any real estate there. In some cases they own a winter home in another state in a warmer climate. <br><br>Two states that have favorable tax laws and residency requirements are Texas and South Dakota. <br><br>
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Old Nov 14, 2002 | 08:18 PM
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Ok, Ryan, here's the deal.<br><br>I'm active duty military, and was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi. As long as I'm a resident of CA and stationed somewhere else, I don't pay CA state income tax, BUT if I get stationed in CA I have to pay. To get TX residency, I had to register a car, get a driver's license and register to vote. I did that, so now I'm a TX resident, even though I don't have a permanent TX address. As far as anyone is concerned, my permanent address is my mom's address in CA. That way mail can get to me even if I move a zillion times (btw zillion=4), like I've done already in the Navy.<br><br>SO, I'm a resident of TX who lives elsewhere even though I don't have a permanent address there. There's all kinds of great bennies of being in the military. GO NAVY!<br><br>-SFB
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 12:08 AM
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Re:Do you Need aFuel Permit or License?

[quote author=thatguy link=board=11;threadid=6829;start=0#66794 date=1037296837]<br>It looks like that you got was information on IFTA (international fuel tax agreement) which only applies to vehicles with a registered weight of 26,001 or greater OR three axle trucks that travel INTERSTATE (between states). The CA fuel trip permit is a temporay permit for vehicles not in IFTA but that meet the defination of qualified vehicles and make a one-time trip into CA.<br><br>IFTA came about in about 1995 and you pay any road taxes (when you did not purchase enough fuel in a particular state to cover the amount of fuel you burned) to your base jurisdiction and they distribute the fees to the other jurisdictions. Prior to IFTA you had to have a fuel license for all jurisdictions you operated in - which meant you also had to file a quarterly tax report in all of those jurisdictions as well. Thru IFTA you can use your credits (purchased more fuel than you burned) from one jurisidiction in the jurisdictions you didnt buy enough fuel in.<br><br>Unless you are 26,001 and over gross weight you dont have to worry about IFTA..<br><br><br><br>[/quote]<br><br>If you are a commercial vehicle and cross a state line and pull more than a one axle trailer, you have to have IFTA, at any weight. That is federal not state regulations.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 06:55 AM
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[quote author=shortfieldbreak link=board=11;threadid=6829;start=0#66992 date=1037326714]<br>Ok, Ryan, here's the deal.<br><br>I'm active duty military, and was stationed at NAS Corpus Christi. As long as I'm a resident of CA and stationed somewhere else, I don't pay CA state income tax, BUT if I get stationed in CA I have to pay. To get TX residency, I had to register a car, get a driver's license and register to vote. I did that, so now I'm a TX resident, even though I don't have a permanent TX address. As far as anyone is concerned, my permanent address is my mom's address in CA. That way mail can get to me even if I move a zillion times (btw zillion=4), like I've done already in the Navy.<br><br>SO, I'm a resident of TX who lives elsewhere even though I don't have a permanent address there. There's all kinds of great bennies of being in the military. GO NAVY!<br><br>-SFB<br>[/quote]<br><br>I figured that active Military Service changed the rules a little. Some of them snowbirds with their 5ers can get pretty creative as well when it comes time to avoid taxes . IN used to have a lot of problems with people registering their vehicles in Ohio, it used to cost about 1/2 as much.
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Old Nov 15, 2002 | 07:37 AM
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Go to your search engine and put in International Motor Fuel Tax and the state you live in. I assume they are universal. This is what the Georgia State lists: &quot;3<br>II. IMPORTANT TERMS<br>Base Jurisdiction – means the member jurisdiction where qualified motor<br>vehicles are based for vehicle registration purposes and to which the interstate carrier<br>will register and submit tax reports with payments covering all member jurisdictions.<br>Your Base Jurisdiction should be Georgia if:<br>1. Your vehicle(s) are registered in Georgia; and<br>2. Your vehicle(s) use are controlled from a location in<br>Georgia; and<br>3. Your vehicle's records are maintained or can be made<br>available in Georgia*; and<br>4. At least one of your qualified vehicles logs some miles within Georgia.<br>Note: If more than one jurisdiction meets all of these requirements, a carrier may select<br>the one it wants.<br>Qualified Vehicle - one designed or maintained to transport people or property<br>which:<br>1. Has two axles and a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle<br>weight exceeding 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms; or<br>2. Has three or more axles, regardless of weight; or<br>3. Is used in combination when such combination exceeds a gross vehicle<br>weight of 26,000 pounds or 11,797 kilograms.Note: Do not IFTA register if none of your vehicles leave the state.<br>Recreational Vehicles such as motor homes, pickup trucks with attached campers, and<br>buses when used exclusively for personal pleasure by an individual are exempt from<br>IFTA. In order to qualify as a recreational vehicle, the vehicle shall not be used in connection with any business endeavor.<br><br>
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