Let me ask a stupid question... Does the J/A use user mounted sensors to read the different parameters or does it pull this infomation from the ECM? If it pulls from the ECM, I would think this would be better since even if it was off a little bit, this is what the ECM and the J/A is using to make changes to your timing and fueling.


Just adding another curve to this discussion...... [coffee]

Joe

Fuel Pressure, EGT, and Transmission temp are all off their own senders...

Turbo boost, fuel temp and what ever else it reads are ecm numbers

Just installed one today on a 99. The fuel pressure and trans temp are external sensors. The other really neat extra, was the turbo cool down timer.

Overall, the unit worked great, and was a breeze to install.

So much for stirring the pot :confused:



It is still interesting how it uses alot of infomation from the ECM. Too bad I have new gauges installed on my truck...

Joe

The human mind adapts to what it sees regularly, and can quickly distinguish any changes. You are all used to looking at your analog needle guages.
Someone like me who hasn't gotten used to that view will quickly get used to looking at their Attitude. (If it ever gets delivered!!:cool: ) While questioning the digital gauges accuracy, how accurate are mechanical gauges? Are you sure? Is it possible the digitals are actually more accurate?

I bought a juice for a few reasons; numerous gauges, FP guage, price, changing on the fly, ability to tap or not, serious power if desired, all for $600. You cannot duplicate all of these functions with analog gauges for the same money. Some of us aren't quite that serious about jacking our trucks up to run sub 14 second quarter miles. I'm seriously considering not tapping my VP, as I just want some more power to pull my boat and my cabover camper up the pass without creating a huge traffic jam behind me, and being able to see all of the "guages" while doing so. And besides, digital stuff is very cool!![laugh] [laugh]

About tapping the VP44, Im looking at getting a J/A and am wondering anyones past experiences with the VP44 going out. Just looking for the likelihood of it actually happening, im a poor college student and dont want to start accruing more bills that I wont be able to pay. Any other "unknown concerns" about the J/A that would be helpful to a warry consumer? Thanks everyone

My 2 cents.
 

I have a lot of experience with most brands of trucks and most brands of aftermarket performance parts. I have more experience with 24 valve Dodge, than anything else. In my opinion The Juice w/ Att for these trucks is the best single performance mod/best value avaliable for any diesel pickup on the market. Figure up how much it would cost (plus install labor time) to get as many gauges as what the Juice w/att offers, then add in a turbo timer, then add a box that adds 5 levels of hp on the fly, and backs down at your presets. You just spent a hell of a lot more money and have a lot more stuff to go wrong than one little box and one little monitor. I do wish it was US made. As far as killing VP44's, hogwash, they die when they are ready, I have replaced over 100 vp44's on bone stock trucks. My 2001 has had comp or juice on it for over 120k miles and the stock vp is still fine, but I have an extra reman in the toolbox for the day it quits.

Dude everything you just said I was already prepared for when I bought my Juice with att.

The control screen says all over hey 1980's technology all over it.

I think thats obvious.
With that said I knew what I was getting into when I bought my edge.

I you ask me, all of the programmers on the market are all just junk and look like 1980's material.
I went with the Edge because I believe they are the most reputable ones out there. What I mean by that is I believe they would be willing to replace something if it were to fail.
To me that matters alot.

I spent a little over 600$ for mine on ebay. I wouldn't trade it for anything.
If it breaks i'll buy another.
I just like having it all in one package w/o a bunch of gauges everywhere...and the power is awesome.

A buddy has the banks w/ cold air, exhaust, and intake on his 06 ford. Let just say he won...but barley.
Oh and it cost him over 3000$ for all the mods.
J/A is definately worth it for me.

here you go read this.https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...t=vp44+failure

Not that it is a huge deal but, I would like to hear some opinions and solutions about why people think the attitude or something similar looks 1980's?

Is it because it is digital? Is it because it is a display screen? It the color? Is it the pastic designs?

Secondly, I would like to hear some soultions. Touch Screen? There is a lot of pros and cons. Color? Also a lot of pros and cons?

To me 2 1/16" gauges look 1980's or 70's for that matter. Sure they changed the dial colors some and stuck an orange needle on them but, analog gauges are about as retro as you could possibly get.

So I am very curious as to what would not be 80's and still be able to get the same results.

You can set audible alarms to warn you if your not paying attention to your gagues.

Good point Dazeys.

I hope they stick with black/white screens. They can be read without any backlighting in daylight. Ever notice that color screen cell phones have to use a backlight even in the daytime? I'll try to avoid a cell phone rant, but they should go back to black/white screens.

My opinion on the analog vs. digital debate is that analog is more fun to watch but digital is more feature rich. They probably have a similar level of accuracy and durability. A well designed digital device that is not abused should last longer than anything with moving parts though. Best value for the dollar has to go to the JWA, otherwise I would be getting a smarty and gauges.