Towing with a 24 valve automatic........... what more can I do?
Hello! I wanted some opinions on what more I can do to make my 2nd gen Dodge more towing friendly for the highway. I have a 2500 lb slide-in camper that I haul and planning to pull a small dirt-bike trailer behind it. This is my current setup:
1999 Dodge Cummins SRW (250,000 miles), Edge-EZ, stock HX-35, DDP1 injectors, 4" exhaust, AFE intake, Airdog 100 lift pump 47re automatic (unknown miles, appears to be rebuilt at some time) has GM governor solenoid upgrade and double deep aluminum pan Gearing is 3:55 with upgraded Dana 80 1-ton rearend, 285/75/17 Toyo AT2's Truck is equipped with Pyro, Trans, boost, and fuel gauges When I drive the pickup towing an empty 5x10 enclosed trailer, the truck hazes a lot of smoke going over mountain passes @ 55mph. The Edge-EZ is set on level 3. My fuel pressure always runs between 10-11 psi on my gauge. It is my understanding that the VP44 needs 10+ psi to survive. My future plan is to also add on an exhaust brake for stopping when towing. Bottom line......... what would it take to boost my power for towing, create less smoke, and retain most of the components I already have? I do not plan to sled pull or race, this is a daily driver truck that tows on the weekends. I feel that I have a decent amount of things done to my pickup...........but its still not enough to keep up with traffic and climb grades efficiently IMO. I don't expect it to perform like a 3 or 4th gen........ but it shouldn't be too far behind. I am looking for suggestions and parts combinations that work. |
Dump the EZ and get a Smarty......that's my plan anyway.
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Which gear are you in while towing these grades, what does your boost and EGT say while doing it?
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On my 01 I had rv275 injectors, a smarty(run on the no additional timing levels) and an edge ez then later a juice with attitude to replace the ez and a built DTT trans. In 01 the autos came with the smaller hy9 turbo. I had upgraded it to a 35/40 hybrid with a 12cm housing from Piers Diesel (it spooled faster than a stock hx35 but not quite as fast as the HY35 but the hy just couldn't handle the additional power without barking even at trans shifts under power) along with an afe intake and exhaust as well as a stage one cam. Multiple dyno runs over the years showed 395hp and 900ft tq. From a stop at 7k elevation I could black out the sky if I just mashed the go pedal at 9 or 10k hardly any finesse with the go pedal could keep it from smoking good from a stop or acceleration from a slow speed. Turbos certainly help without a doubt but they dont eliminate the need for more air up high. If it is smoking then it has fuel just not enough air to burn all the fuel As Alpine mentioned what is your boost level and egts at those times? Could be you need to drop down a gea or lockout overdrive to get the rpms up which should increase the speed of the turbo thereby increasing airflow into the cylinders or perhaps a cam that breathes a little better.
Our fifth only weighs about 10k loaded so not overly heavy never had a real issue with keeping the speed up though when towing, smoke under acceleration yes, sometimes depending on conditions I had to manually shift the trans or lockout overdrive though to keep the egts in check. This is all in mountains here. I was always surprised when I did make a trip down to lower altitudes how much less or less easily the truck smoked. I cant remember the order of the ez is 3 full fuel at 0 boost or is that level 1. If level 3 is full fuel at 0 boost try switching it to level 1 you still get full fuel but not until boost is above 15 or 20psi cant remember now. So you have it if you need it but not if you don't (or even level 2 which I think is full fuel at 10psi boost) |
Originally Posted by AlpineRAM
(Post 3361101)
Which gear are you in while towing these grades, what does your boost and EGT say while doing it?
All of these numbers seem respectable and not out of control, but how do I increase my road speed? I'd like to be climbing closer to 60mph, rather than chugging @ 50mph. Pressing the "go pedal" only makes more noise and increases smoke......but not much speed increase. |
Originally Posted by SIXSLUG
(Post 3361097)
Dump the EZ and get a Smarty......that's my plan anyway.
I have always wondered if the Smarty is more superior over the Edge EZ? I have read alot of threads comparing both, people say they are very close in power (65hp add on). The interesting thing is how many people claim one is better than the other vis versa. I can see how the Smarty would be handy for stacking with another programmer. It's my understanding that the Smarty creates a very sensitive lower rpm throttle response. |
Originally Posted by Albino99
(Post 3361122)
When I hit the mountain grades I always have OD locked out, (4th gear). The truck will steadily climb the mountain pass @ 50mph, while in 3rd gear (locked)..........trans temp @ 145 degrees, boost @ 14psi, EGT's around 980-1100 degrees. All while maintaining 2100 rpm.
All of these numbers seem respectable and not out of control, but how do I increase my road speed? I'd like to be climbing closer to 60mph, rather than chugging @ 50mph. Pressing the "go pedal" only makes more noise and increases smoke......but not much speed increase. Since more go pedal produces only noise, heat and smoke, you lack the air to convert dinosaur juice into power. I'd check the wastegate first, then the intercooler plumbing for boost leaks. |
I agree, very low boost #s.
I would check the lower boots for cuts from the inner fender well. I have seen many 2nd gen boots get worn out there. |
Originally Posted by oliver foster
(Post 3361142)
I agree, very low boost #s.
I would check the lower boots for cuts from the inner fender well. I have seen many 2nd gen boots get worn out there. |
You'd be surprised how much boost can be lost with leaking boots. If you can, try pressure testing your intake and then swab the boots with soapy water. You'll probably find pinhole leaks that you'd never see just by eyeballing them.
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Yep, boost leaks are a bit crazy.
You'd imagine that a hole of less than 1 /1000ths of the diameter of the tube would be nothing.... but still it does influence power output and fuel consumption.. not only measurable on a dyno, but in real life. Also the air filter plays a crucial role, if it is plugged with pollen you do not see the problem, but still about 25-30% decrease in fuel economy isn't too shabby. |
All good options as noted above. You have basically the same truck I do.
Put a turnbuckle and spring on the wastegate to help keep it closed. The HX35 max "useable" air flow is going to be around 35psi..anything over this is just pushing hot air and pretty much the limit of this turbo. I would also expect your boost #s to be higher around 20-25psi. Like mentioned, checking for boost leaks is a good idea... I should prob do the same :) |
Originally Posted by Albino99
(Post 3361123)
SIXSLUG,
I have always wondered if the Smarty is more superior over the Edge EZ? I have read alot of threads comparing both, people say they are very close in power (65hp add on). The interesting thing is how many people claim one is better than the other vis versa. I can see how the Smarty would be handy for stacking with another programmer. It's my understanding that the Smarty creates a very sensitive lower rpm throttle response. |
Something ain't right. My 01 is basically stock with the exception of an HX replacing the HY. As far as my truck is concerned, my 7K lb box trailer is just a passenger along for the ride. EGT on an excellerated climb never exceeds 1100° and it's impossible to make make it smoke more than a puff on throttle up.
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Originally Posted by SIXSLUG
(Post 3361293)
My friend's like the wider range of settings with the smarty so I am interested in trying it, just not a real priority. My EZ is rough when towing on 3 and not recommend IIRC. 2 is where I keep it. Mine is the old one that you move the little jumper between positions, not the dial one....Never have tried it on 1. I need to get my injectors in.........
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It should have had an adjustable boost elbow installed in the wastegate actuator line when the injectors were done, or it will still be limited to the factory wastegate setting.
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Originally Posted by torquefan
(Post 3361377)
It should have had an adjustable boost elbow installed in the wastegate actuator line when the injectors were done, or it will still be limited to the factory wastegate setting.
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How do you adjust the boost elbow?
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The stock EZ elbow is not adjustable if I recall this correctly.
Sometimes the spring in the wastegate actuator gets weak over time and leads to a low boost situation. A quick test for the chargers with a rubber hose to the wastegate actuator is to either remove the hose temporarily or to crimp it closed with artery forceps for the test. If it gets better you know that the problem is at least partially caused by the wastegate opening at too low pressure. |
@Alpine I have an adjustable boost elbow, just never set it....
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The adjustable elbow comes in 2 variants. The more common one works like this:
Boost air goes through a calibrated orifice, then through a chamber with an adjustable bleed to the diaphragm. The more the bleed is opened the less boost reaches the diaphragm of the wastegate actuator. Setting the elbow is a bit of playing with boost and EGT, you should not go over 35 psi with the HX35, depending on the rest of your mods even lower boost can be desirable- I like to tune for just enough air to clean up the exhaust under full power. |
So in will reduce the waste gate closing early?
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The more you open the bleed the less the boost will affect the wastegate- meaning more boost until the wastegate dumps the exhaust around the turbine.
Naturally there is a point where the exhaust gas pressure opens the wastegate on it's own, but then you are way beyond the usable flow characteristics of the charger. A working wastegate will not influence engine characteristics up to a set boost level (21psi stock), |
Thanks, I get around 25 psi where it's at but a good blow of smoke around 2500 rpm. I don't need the smoke, just want the power range. I need to get my injectors in....Didn't mean to hijack the thread Albino99...nobody responded to my post.[redface]
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OK, 25 would be just about right with a mid box and stock injectors.
(Running higher boost than necessary robs power and fuel efficiency- think more air needs to be pumped through all these pipes, valves etc) Maybe try to losen the adjuster a bit- but caveat! I'd do it like this- turn the adjuster in till fully seated while counting the turns. Then remove the adjuster, add fresh threadlocker, turn in till seated, turn out original value plus one turn.. DAMHIK! |
Thanks Alp, I'll give it a shot.
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Take a good look at your EGTs while tuning- increasing boost will net you lower EGT to a point- when EGT rises again you know you have gone too far and will pay the penalty at the fueling station.
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