the Prophet Mohammed cartoons
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Originally Posted by Mexstan
....and all this comes right back to what I have been preaching for years.
America, you are facing the biggest thread in your entire history. Never before have you been in such danger!!!! Sorry to say this, but the worst is yet to come for your country. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
America, you are facing the biggest thread in your entire history. Never before have you been in such danger!!!! Sorry to say this, but the worst is yet to come for your country. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK
It says in the bible that christians are supposed to try and convert non-christians. Spanish inquisition. The spanish either converted or killed jews and muslims or any other religion other than catholicism.
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I am going to post the following excerpts from the Koran...these are exact quotes mind you...for those who say the Koran teachs only to kill non-muslims.....
1)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
2)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[103.1] I swear by the time,
[103.2] Most surely man is in loss,
[103.3] Except those who believe and do good, and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
3)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[98.1] Those who disbelieved from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists could not have separated (from the faithful) until there had come to them the clear evidence:
[98.2] An apostle from Allah, reciting pure pages,
[98.3] Wherein are all the right ordinances.
[98.4] And those who were given the Book did not become divided except after clear evidence had come to them.
[98.5] And they were not enjoined anything except that they should serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience, upright, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and that is the right religion.
[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.
[98.7] (As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the -best of men.
[98.8] Their reward with their Lord is gardens of perpetuity beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein for ever; Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; that is for him who fears his Lord.
I seem to see similarities between that and what is in the Christan Bible...beleive in me and go to heaven, dont and go to hell.......same message....
My point being that you can interpret teh above passages as being violent or peacefull..
It is not only an injustice, but ignorance to say that ALL muslims want to kill ALL americans...thats simplistic and stereotypical thinking.....its the type of thinking that feeds wars and racism.
1)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.
2)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[103.1] I swear by the time,
[103.2] Most surely man is in loss,
[103.3] Except those who believe and do good, and enjoin on each other truth, and enjoin on each other patience.
3)In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[98.1] Those who disbelieved from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists could not have separated (from the faithful) until there had come to them the clear evidence:
[98.2] An apostle from Allah, reciting pure pages,
[98.3] Wherein are all the right ordinances.
[98.4] And those who were given the Book did not become divided except after clear evidence had come to them.
[98.5] And they were not enjoined anything except that they should serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience, upright, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and that is the right religion.
[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.
[98.7] (As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the -best of men.
[98.8] Their reward with their Lord is gardens of perpetuity beneath which rivers flow, abiding therein for ever; Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; that is for him who fears his Lord.
I seem to see similarities between that and what is in the Christan Bible...beleive in me and go to heaven, dont and go to hell.......same message....
My point being that you can interpret teh above passages as being violent or peacefull..
It is not only an injustice, but ignorance to say that ALL muslims want to kill ALL americans...thats simplistic and stereotypical thinking.....its the type of thinking that feeds wars and racism.
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They can't want us "the western world" gone, who would train their medical staff, engineers and every other professional trades person they have in their culture. They arn't done using us yet. Banjamin Franklin stated while writing the Constitution that the priciples that this country are founded upon will someday lead to it's downfall. As long as we offer benefits and protection to muslim countries they will only pick at our bones here and there like a mosquito bite. When we finally shut them off and decide they are the enemy is when we will be in true danger.
Mexstan your beleifs, I'm sure are right about the dangers, but hold onto your britches, because if America falls what protection of any signifigance will stand in there way.
Mexstan your beleifs, I'm sure are right about the dangers, but hold onto your britches, because if America falls what protection of any signifigance will stand in there way.
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Interesting news story today related to this thread:
Saturday, February 11, 2006
HENRY LAMB A report card for Islam
Posted: February 11, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Years ago, elementary school children brought home report cards that contained a graded item called "Works and plays well with others." A "U" for Unsatisfactory on this graded item often resulted in the same consequence as an "F" in an academic subject. The Islamic world has certainly earned a "U" for their response in recent days to the cartoons published in the Danish press.
It doesn't matter that the cartoons may have been irreverent or tasteless; rioting in the streets and destroying property is an inappropriate response. The Islamic world does not work and play well with others – when others fail to behave as the Islamic world wishes.
It is the entire Islamic world that must be given the "Unsatisfactory" grade, not just the fanatics who perpetrate the violence. The Islamic world should be the loudest voice in condemning the violence of the fanatics. If there has been an Islamic voice of condemnation at all, it has been a muted whisper. The fanatics get the "U" for their actions; the rest of the Islamic world gets the "U" for their inaction.
The Islamic world should explain why a derisive cartoon image of Muhammad is a sin worthy of death, but it is perfectly acceptable for the state-controlled Iranian press to sponsor a cartoon contest depicting the slaughter of innocent Jews. They should explain why it is "cruel and unusual punishment" for a U.S. soldier to touch the Quran while handing it to a prisoner, but it is perfectly acceptable to burn the Bible and murder the people in private homes where a Bible is found.
The Islamic world should explain why it is virtuous for a Muslim to strap on a bomb and explode it in a public marketplace filled with innocent women and children. The Islamic world should explain why they continue to allow the fanatics to kidnap and behead journalists and construction workers, and commit wholesale executions in the name of Allah.
There is no rational explanation, of course, for the behavior of the Islamic fanatics. And it is up to the rest of the Islamic world to either convince the fanatics of the error of their ways, or to disavow the antics of the fanatics as contrary to the spirit of Islam. Continued silence from the non-fanatic Islamic world is tacit approval of their behavior.
The rest of the world that is not Islamic has no chance of convincing the fanatics of anything. It is a task that must be undertaken by the Islamic leadership. Failure by the leadership to perform this vital task will not simply tarnish Islam in the eyes of the world, it will hasten a global culture clash that will make the Crusades look like a schoolyard skirmish by comparison.
The image Islam has presented to the world in recent years is irrational and uncivilized. It may well be true that the vast majority of the Islamic world is quite rational and civilized, but the image the world has seen is just the opposite. The rational and civilized Muslims are being represented by the fanatics. Unless the fanatics are isolated by, and from, the rest of the Islamic world, then the great historic tradition of Islam will continue to suffer.
The conflict between Islam and the rest of the world is gathering steam. The rest of the world has been restrained in response to repeated attacks by the fanatics. But somewhere, there is an end to this restraint.
There was a scene in a movie in which the good guy found himself confronted by a half-dozen bad guys. He fought ferociously and, with muscle and superior fighting skills, eventually disabled all the bad guys. Just as he realized he had won, another bad guy emerged, bigger than all the rest. The good guy didn't fight; he pulled his gun and shot the bad guy between the eyes.
The non-Islamic world has been fighting the bad guys when and wherever they emerge. Sooner or later, the good guys are going to pull their guns and shoot the bad guys between the eyes.
It will not be just a handful of Islamic fanatics lying on the floor. It will be thousands and thousands of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims lying in the aftermath of brutal annihilation. There will surely be attacks and catastrophe in the Western world, but most of the devastation will be in the Islamic world, where people need hope and help, not death and destruction.
It is the Islamic world that bears the responsibility for putting a bridle on their fanatic brethren. The Islamic world should either convert the fanatics, or isolate them, ostracize them and deliver them up to justice for their crimes. Anything less is unsatisfactory.
Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization and chairman of Sovereignty International.
Saturday, February 11, 2006
HENRY LAMB A report card for Islam
Posted: February 11, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Years ago, elementary school children brought home report cards that contained a graded item called "Works and plays well with others." A "U" for Unsatisfactory on this graded item often resulted in the same consequence as an "F" in an academic subject. The Islamic world has certainly earned a "U" for their response in recent days to the cartoons published in the Danish press.
It doesn't matter that the cartoons may have been irreverent or tasteless; rioting in the streets and destroying property is an inappropriate response. The Islamic world does not work and play well with others – when others fail to behave as the Islamic world wishes.
It is the entire Islamic world that must be given the "Unsatisfactory" grade, not just the fanatics who perpetrate the violence. The Islamic world should be the loudest voice in condemning the violence of the fanatics. If there has been an Islamic voice of condemnation at all, it has been a muted whisper. The fanatics get the "U" for their actions; the rest of the Islamic world gets the "U" for their inaction.
The Islamic world should explain why a derisive cartoon image of Muhammad is a sin worthy of death, but it is perfectly acceptable for the state-controlled Iranian press to sponsor a cartoon contest depicting the slaughter of innocent Jews. They should explain why it is "cruel and unusual punishment" for a U.S. soldier to touch the Quran while handing it to a prisoner, but it is perfectly acceptable to burn the Bible and murder the people in private homes where a Bible is found.
The Islamic world should explain why it is virtuous for a Muslim to strap on a bomb and explode it in a public marketplace filled with innocent women and children. The Islamic world should explain why they continue to allow the fanatics to kidnap and behead journalists and construction workers, and commit wholesale executions in the name of Allah.
There is no rational explanation, of course, for the behavior of the Islamic fanatics. And it is up to the rest of the Islamic world to either convince the fanatics of the error of their ways, or to disavow the antics of the fanatics as contrary to the spirit of Islam. Continued silence from the non-fanatic Islamic world is tacit approval of their behavior.
The rest of the world that is not Islamic has no chance of convincing the fanatics of anything. It is a task that must be undertaken by the Islamic leadership. Failure by the leadership to perform this vital task will not simply tarnish Islam in the eyes of the world, it will hasten a global culture clash that will make the Crusades look like a schoolyard skirmish by comparison.
The image Islam has presented to the world in recent years is irrational and uncivilized. It may well be true that the vast majority of the Islamic world is quite rational and civilized, but the image the world has seen is just the opposite. The rational and civilized Muslims are being represented by the fanatics. Unless the fanatics are isolated by, and from, the rest of the Islamic world, then the great historic tradition of Islam will continue to suffer.
The conflict between Islam and the rest of the world is gathering steam. The rest of the world has been restrained in response to repeated attacks by the fanatics. But somewhere, there is an end to this restraint.
There was a scene in a movie in which the good guy found himself confronted by a half-dozen bad guys. He fought ferociously and, with muscle and superior fighting skills, eventually disabled all the bad guys. Just as he realized he had won, another bad guy emerged, bigger than all the rest. The good guy didn't fight; he pulled his gun and shot the bad guy between the eyes.
The non-Islamic world has been fighting the bad guys when and wherever they emerge. Sooner or later, the good guys are going to pull their guns and shoot the bad guys between the eyes.
It will not be just a handful of Islamic fanatics lying on the floor. It will be thousands and thousands of innocent Muslims and non-Muslims lying in the aftermath of brutal annihilation. There will surely be attacks and catastrophe in the Western world, but most of the devastation will be in the Islamic world, where people need hope and help, not death and destruction.
It is the Islamic world that bears the responsibility for putting a bridle on their fanatic brethren. The Islamic world should either convert the fanatics, or isolate them, ostracize them and deliver them up to justice for their crimes. Anything less is unsatisfactory.
Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization and chairman of Sovereignty International.
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As terrible and evil as the Muslim fundamentalists are being portrayed we seem to have forgotten that they were our good buddies when we were supplying and training them to fight the Soviets. Anyone remember 'Afghanistan Freedom Figher Day' that Reagan proclaimed ? We especially valued and recruited fundamentalists as they made good 'insurgents'. After they demonstarted the ability to engage and force a world power to retreat we pretty much just pulled out and left them to their rubble, which proved to be an ideal breeding ground for them to hear from the fundamentalists who their friends and enemies were. We obviously need to deal with threats, but let's step down from some of the soap boxes, and consider what the long term consequences of some of our present actions might be.
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Originally Posted by 1sttruck
We obviously need to deal with threats, but let's step down from some of the soap boxes, and consider what the long term consequences of some of our present actions might be.
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My 2 Cents...
If you want my opinion...Here goes The main reason that the Iranian government is pushing this is because they are about to be refered to the UN Security Council (I'm sure they are shaking in their boots). These cartoons were originaly printed in Oct. of last year, But nobody was interested in them because they were in the middle of an election cycle. The Danish clerick who found these in his local paper went from country to country, trying to get traction. No one was any too interested because they didn't want to sound too extreme. Now that the elections are over and Iran is looking at possible sanctions or whatever they are using the cartoons as ammo against the Danes, Who are up to be the head of the UN Security Council in a couple of months. On the other hand, how do they expect anyone to take them serious. They show their outrage of their prophet being shown as a terrorist by blowing up and burning things (and people) if they get half a chance. DUH! 
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Fanatic, passionate, dedicated, avid, zealous, fervent, obsessive, fixated, infatuated, and I could go on and on with words that more or less mean the same thing, words that depending on situations could be used to describe any one of us at any given point in time, without the slightest hint of “bad” implications.
Religious debate is the shortest way for otherwise friendly people to engage into the nastiest behavior. Let’s face it, any religion can be, has been, and also will be misquoted, misused, or used to incite wars, terror, genocide, to bring out the worst in mankind.
What is my point you ask? It is NOT what the “bad guys” do that really matters. Their reasoning need not be analyzed, for it can not really be understood, nor can it be influenced. History has plenty of examples if anyone cares to look. The only thing that really matters is what REASONABLE people do, you, I, them. By them, I mean the people closest to the “bad” guys. As we all know “talk IS cheap” and the well over a billion Muslims in the world may all claim that their religion is one of peace, it is very little that they are putting in action, and that little is in most cases just ineffective token gesture. Remember: for evil to triumph all is needed that good people stand by and do nothing. Again, history is full of repeated examples.
Religious debate is the shortest way for otherwise friendly people to engage into the nastiest behavior. Let’s face it, any religion can be, has been, and also will be misquoted, misused, or used to incite wars, terror, genocide, to bring out the worst in mankind.
What is my point you ask? It is NOT what the “bad guys” do that really matters. Their reasoning need not be analyzed, for it can not really be understood, nor can it be influenced. History has plenty of examples if anyone cares to look. The only thing that really matters is what REASONABLE people do, you, I, them. By them, I mean the people closest to the “bad” guys. As we all know “talk IS cheap” and the well over a billion Muslims in the world may all claim that their religion is one of peace, it is very little that they are putting in action, and that little is in most cases just ineffective token gesture. Remember: for evil to triumph all is needed that good people stand by and do nothing. Again, history is full of repeated examples.
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Very Interesting
Originally Posted by MCMLV
Fanatic, passionate, dedicated, avid, zealous, fervent, obsessive, fixated, infatuated, and I could go on and on with words that more or less mean the same thing, words that depending on situations could be used to describe any one of us at any given point in time, without the slightest hint of “bad” implications.
Religious debate is the shortest way for otherwise friendly people to engage into the nastiest behavior. Let’s face it, any religion can be, has been, and also will be misquoted, misused, or used to incite wars, terror, genocide, to bring out the worst in mankind.
What is my point you ask? It is NOT what the “bad guys” do that really matters. Their reasoning need not be analyzed, for it can not really be understood, nor can it be influenced. History has plenty of examples if anyone cares to look. The only thing that really matters is what REASONABLE people do, you, I, them. By them, I mean the people closest to the “bad” guys. As we all know “talk IS cheap” and the well over a billion Muslims in the world may all claim that their religion is one of peace, it is very little that they are putting in action, and that little is in most cases just ineffective token gesture. Remember: for evil to triumph all is needed that good people stand by and do nothing. Again, history is full of repeated examples.
Religious debate is the shortest way for otherwise friendly people to engage into the nastiest behavior. Let’s face it, any religion can be, has been, and also will be misquoted, misused, or used to incite wars, terror, genocide, to bring out the worst in mankind.
What is my point you ask? It is NOT what the “bad guys” do that really matters. Their reasoning need not be analyzed, for it can not really be understood, nor can it be influenced. History has plenty of examples if anyone cares to look. The only thing that really matters is what REASONABLE people do, you, I, them. By them, I mean the people closest to the “bad” guys. As we all know “talk IS cheap” and the well over a billion Muslims in the world may all claim that their religion is one of peace, it is very little that they are putting in action, and that little is in most cases just ineffective token gesture. Remember: for evil to triumph all is needed that good people stand by and do nothing. Again, history is full of repeated examples.
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Oh jeez - now they're threatening to rename pastries in retailiation for the cartoons !!!
The story can be found here: http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2183
The story can be found here: http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2183
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This is not going to die down and go away. The Islamics have an agenda to take over the world and they intend to do it any way they can. As their population grows in various countries (ref https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...ad.php?t=92396) they will start flexing their muscles. This cartoon thing makes them smell blood and they are going make this count as much as possible. If the facts do not bear out what they are are revolting about, too bad. The fanatics are going to take whatever they can, distort it to suit, play it to the uninformed masses and make hay while the sun shines.
Of course various do-gooders are going to side with these guys and that is just going to make it worse for the American's.
The revolts may be happening outside of the states for now, but mark my words and listen up - the enemy is within your borders, just waiting for a chance to strike. I say it again, AMERICA, NEVER BEFORE IN YOUR HISTORY HAS YOUR COUNTRY BEEN IN SUCH DANGER!!!!!
What are you, Mr. & Mrs. John Q, Citizen going to do about it?
I am once again reminded of a verse from prophecy which says:
"I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people – all of them living without gates and bars." (Ezek. 38:8-11)
This may not apply to the US, but it could. Think about that.
Of course various do-gooders are going to side with these guys and that is just going to make it worse for the American's.
The revolts may be happening outside of the states for now, but mark my words and listen up - the enemy is within your borders, just waiting for a chance to strike. I say it again, AMERICA, NEVER BEFORE IN YOUR HISTORY HAS YOUR COUNTRY BEEN IN SUCH DANGER!!!!!
What are you, Mr. & Mrs. John Q, Citizen going to do about it?
I am once again reminded of a verse from prophecy which says:
"I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people – all of them living without gates and bars." (Ezek. 38:8-11)
This may not apply to the US, but it could. Think about that.
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Originally Posted by Beamwalker
all these religions that do not do what they are supposed to do will be destroyed by u.n. soon
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Originally Posted by Mexstan
This is not going to die down and go away. The Islamics have an agenda to take over the world and they intend to do it any way they can.
I am once again reminded of a verse from prophecy which says:
"I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people – all of them living without gates and bars." (Ezek. 38:8-11)
I am once again reminded of a verse from prophecy which says:
"I will invade a land of unwalled villages, I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people – all of them living without gates and bars." (Ezek. 38:8-11)
