New Ethanol Plant going in, I have some questions for those who know!
Originally Posted by belfert
Ethanol plants use LOTS of water. Some plants here in Minnesota are piping water dozens or hundreds of miles to get enough.
Water is one big reason besides the supply of corn why corn-based ethanol can't replace gasoline.
Brian Elfert
Water is one big reason besides the supply of corn why corn-based ethanol can't replace gasoline.
Brian Elfert
Originally Posted by HappyGA
well if these plants need lots of water, it would seem that they would build close to a river of some sorts.
Do these palnts just use the water for power, or cooling? I guess I am trying to ask if the water gets used up, or becomes toxic? If not, I would thinkthey could pipe it in, and then pipe it back out.....
Do these palnts just use the water for power, or cooling? I guess I am trying to ask if the water gets used up, or becomes toxic? If not, I would thinkthey could pipe it in, and then pipe it back out.....
Water used up??
How does that work?
Originally Posted by DmaxEter
Water used up??
How does that work? 
How does that work? 
I meant maybe converted to steam so as to drop the level of the river if it were used in the plant.
I will write you a detailed essay and mail it to you.
IF it is like the several around here it will have 0 impact on anything, especaly fuel/gas prices. They dont create gas, just alcahol that gets blended in with the gas. As far as the coment abought all the tankers ripping up the roads I have yet to see even one single tanker headed in or out of any of the several in the area. It is 100% rail here. You couldent line enough trucks up to haule it away fast enough. There are ovbiusly a few of the local farmers hauling corn into them but a lot of the corn comes in on the same rail that the alcahol goes out on. They dont pay worth hoot either so dont expect any big economic boom because of it. I have never smelt any odor from any of them except the one that recycles cow poop to get the corn out of it and then proceses it. Luckily that one is about 30 miles from here so I dont have to smell it. Thats the only one I have ever heard of doing this but it suposadly is profitable. Then you have a huge cattle confinment that goes along with that one so its extra smelly.
Originally Posted by HappyGA
Okay Mr smart guy...
I meant maybe converted to steam so as to drop the level of the river if it were used in the plant.
I will write you a detailed essay and mail it to you.
I meant maybe converted to steam so as to drop the level of the river if it were used in the plant.
I will write you a detailed essay and mail it to you.
I am awaiting the essay though!
Originally Posted by DmaxEter
HEHEHAHA. Water is one of those resouces that we cant use up!! I listened during that 5 minutes of science class
Brian Elfert
I've built new and worked existing ethanol plants...
First, it is likely to have a small impact on the local economy during the construction phase, unless you have a significant resource of industrial construction workers like rodbusters, ironworkers, pipefitters and rig welders.
We travel to make money and send it home, not support the local economy. A lot of us bring RVs to spend less on living accomodations, so the local RV park might make a few more dollars than usual.
Most guys in the business shop at the popular stores, so venturing out on main street to spend money at the "mom and pop" is unlikely.
The local watering hole or edit bar would do OK.
Once in operation, you will be amazed at the automation of the plant. You're just not going to have a lot of employees. 24 hour control room personnel, light night shift maintenance, usual number during the day, lab techs, etc.
You'll have constant truck loads of corn coming in, and depending of the distribution method, rail or trucks going out. The local corn growers will benefit in volume, but not necessarily in higher profit.
All an ethanol plant is is a giant still. It makes corn alcohol. They are federally mandated to treat it within a certain time for use in gasolines or get taxed for making liquor.
The corn mash, depending on the stage of process will smell like sweet, fresh-made bread, or like swill. Sometimes you can't tell the difference, unless you step in old mash that sours, then it stinks.
All in all, not a big deal to the local economy, and certain locations that are vying for plants because of depressed corn farming are offering tax and other incentives. The payoff in highway usage and upkeep for a constant stream of trucks vs. lower business tax might not make sense, but that's part of the political sell.
The guys making the plant are the ones making the money. You might try to get on and put a nice buck in your pocket.
We travel to make money and send it home, not support the local economy. A lot of us bring RVs to spend less on living accomodations, so the local RV park might make a few more dollars than usual.
Most guys in the business shop at the popular stores, so venturing out on main street to spend money at the "mom and pop" is unlikely.
The local watering hole or edit bar would do OK.
Once in operation, you will be amazed at the automation of the plant. You're just not going to have a lot of employees. 24 hour control room personnel, light night shift maintenance, usual number during the day, lab techs, etc.
You'll have constant truck loads of corn coming in, and depending of the distribution method, rail or trucks going out. The local corn growers will benefit in volume, but not necessarily in higher profit.
All an ethanol plant is is a giant still. It makes corn alcohol. They are federally mandated to treat it within a certain time for use in gasolines or get taxed for making liquor.
The corn mash, depending on the stage of process will smell like sweet, fresh-made bread, or like swill. Sometimes you can't tell the difference, unless you step in old mash that sours, then it stinks.
All in all, not a big deal to the local economy, and certain locations that are vying for plants because of depressed corn farming are offering tax and other incentives. The payoff in highway usage and upkeep for a constant stream of trucks vs. lower business tax might not make sense, but that's part of the political sell.
The guys making the plant are the ones making the money. You might try to get on and put a nice buck in your pocket.
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