I forgot about Patriot Nurse. She has a lot of good info.

 

Thanks Colo River ram for info on the Patriot Nurse. That link did not work for me, but I found the info another way. Definitely lots of info there. Now have lots of good info from various sources and need to get my head around it and then figure out what to do.

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

 

Interesting thread..... And good info too but these guys have it right.

I've known all well and good for a long time that its not so much what you do to prepare yourself for those bad situations but what you need to do protect yourself from others who want to take from you which you worked so hard to prepare for. You can stock pile everything under the sun like a squirrel preparing for winter, or you can understand that the barter system will be a powerful tool if things get ugly enough to stop the communal capitalistic system we know today.

And anti-gun people can think that if the world becomes apocalyptic we'll all be harmoniously singing kumbaya around the fire taking care of each other, but in reality the person who has a weapon (any weapon) will attempt to take from you what they (and you) need to survive.

 

Unfortunately no guns allowed down here.

Have managed to download quite a few books on the subject of survival and prepping. Two in particular are quite interesting; Survival MD & How to live without prescriptions. The survival MD book shows what to do in many emergency scenarios when docs and meds are not available. It was written by a doc with actual 3rd world emergency experience healing injured folks without the use of modern medical conveniences. A very interesting read.

 

American Indians say that whatever you need for healing is within sight when you need it. (If you are outdoors anyway)

A friend of mine had a daughter with a relentless headache. Went to the hospital. They couldn't find anything definitive wrong, and couldn't relieve the headache.
I looked around, found some yarrow, made her some tea with it, and she was fine in an hour or so. Actually I don't know if it cured her, or if the tea tasted so bad she wouldn't admit to being sick.

First aid kit in a tree. White pine pollen is astringent, antiseptic, and makes a good substrate for a scab. It's also high in some nutrients, like vit c that help healing.

 

j-m, you are quite correct about all we need to heal us is all around us. I am in the process of learning to recognise what is good, how to apply it and what to avoid.

That girl that had the relentless headache, it would be interesting to find out if she drank a lot of pop/soda, like Coke and ate processed foods. In every case like this that I have seen, that person has a bad diet and the Coke or similar plays a big part in their sickness. It's the old story, your body is the product of what goes into your mouth. Yes, it really is that simple for good health.

 

Very true fellas.....

Diet plays a huge role in not only the obvious normal health aspects of our lives but also how someone "feels". I know thats the same thing but people seem to not understand that things like caffeine, diet sodas, GMO's, etc... all play a part in how your body treats you. You truly are what you eat.....

But as for medicine, another thing people fail to understand is that modern day medicine is usually a product of what you find in nature. Thats how people got the idea in the first place.

 

I have no idea, but guessing from what I've learned in the last year or so, she had gotten an alergic-immune system reaction/cytokine storm that developed a life of it's own after the irritant left. It just took a real good natural analgesic to break the inflammation cycle.

She later developed some allergies, probably from the same bad diet stuff.

The most interesting and useful application I've seen to all this is JJ Virgin's diet. It eliminates the 7 most likely reactive foods for 21 days, then restores some of them one by one. The working theory is "Your body isn't a bank account (calorie counting) but a chemistry lab." The bonus she discovered is that most weight loss failure is inflammation, and most overweight people that tried her diet, including me, lost a pound a day for 21 days.

Now I feel so good that I can independently sort out the inflammatory foods. I was feeling a bit messed up, and eliminated the entire list of nuts I eat frequently. Got better overnight. Now, I'm restoring them one by one to find the offender. I'm betting it'll be the hazel nuts. I'll try them all with hazel nuts last. If I don't get a reaction, I'll just assume hazel nuts are the culprit without trying them and submitting to the misery. BTW, the skin tests allergists use can't touch this one.

I now weigh 30 lbs less than my average for the last 50 years. I'm basically at my high school weight, when I was built like a Greek god. Unfortunately, furniture disease has entered the picture since then. I honestly think I can even overcome most of that even though I'm pushing 70.

 

You're nuts


Remind me of an old native man I knew.
He did a lot of healing from the land but felt sick all the time.
He picked a food group and knocked out all of it gradually adding things.
It turned out his body was ill from wheat.
Inflammation, blood sugars high, etc etc.

 

That's exactly how it works. The thing is our food supply is so corrupted that most people have no idea what good feels like. I didn't either till now.

Wheat, by the way, has been so bastardized by agribusiness that it is no longer digestible for a large percentage of the population.

 

I listened to an audio book called wheat belly. Then I did my own verifying.
So much has been ruined by big business

 

Tell them you love them and euthanize to conserve resources. Then burn the body to prevent the spread of disease.

Tell them you love them and euthanize. Then burn the body to prevent the spread of disease. Next kill two birds with one stone(figuratively, not literally...this time): Trade contaminated food for good food. That resupplies you with good food plus gets rid of the competition for resources as the traders will subsequently go down from diarrhea/dehydration etc.


Ok ok, joking aside now...


If conserving your family's lives are the priority, then one must evacuate with family in tact AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE UPON LEARNING YOUR LOCATION WILL BE HIT so that safety, medicine, food and water are not resources being fought over by you and you are not stuck on the side of the road with a million of your closest panicky-in-crisis-mode friends. You will be completely long gone removed from the situation. Sure you might lose the property/possessions left behind, but your people will remain alive and safe. (and you did place the person's life on the line in your original scenario up there). This is for the acute natural disaster. Now if you're talking long term The Walking Dead type life style, well, there's going to be a lot more planning and fighting.

Second reply I think of, where will you be standing in the event of a natural disaster? Are you speaking as a citizen who is hit by the storm and needs resources? Or are you speaking as a first responder/aid worker who will be called in to supply the resources needed by the general public? Either way, plan what you can, and have the guts and wisdom to make unplanned decisions.

The reality is one can only plan for so much. You won't have an SOP for every single scenario that you may encounter or can ever even dream up. What you should do is have set plans for the most basic and most likely scenarios, branch out to the possible/as happened once in a blue moon. But you will never have an answer for everything until you're facing that situation and you'll have to improvise base on current conditions, taking as many at-present factors into account, your ethics, standards, etc.



When a crisis situation boils a person down to their basic needs and they are put in crisis mode. They become unpredictable, irrational, aggressive and desperate. They lose societal niceities and standards. Often don't listen to reason and are more willing to gamble. It is very difficult to communicate with a person in crisis mode. You would be smart to gain some learning about handling people in crisis mode. It might keep you safe and from being victim; it could help you recognize the situation that you may be on the verge of getting rolled for your stuff.

Prepping for the situation is good as far as tangible resources and life sustaining processes, but those only stay on track if you're living in a vacuum. You do need to watch out for others taking what you have. Because in today's society under the rule of law, bad people are active every day, what makes you think it'll be a non-issue under a state of emergency? Or worse, under no law at all?

Anyway, very much to think about. Don't think anyone can ever have perfect plans. But prepare as best you can and be ready to make hard decisions. Mentally preparing for crisis situations may be the biggest hurdle for a lot of folks. If you can't keep it together, you can't stay in the fight long enough to manage and control the situation. You have to keep your head in it.

 

Shorts, good well thought out answers. Thanks. I hear what you are saying and that is a major concern for me. I am certainly not going overboard in prepping, but do not want to be blindsided either. The unruly, starving and thirsty mobs are what concerns me probably more than anything. There is very little that can be done about that situation.

I live in the outskirts of a medium city of just over a million. Also have property and hour away out in the country with not many around me. Probably an unanswerable question, but in the event of an extended power failure with it's resulting chaos, where would my family be safer, in the city, or out in the country. In the city the neighbors may or may not protect each other from mobs, but out in the country I would be on my own.

 

True, little can be done about who surrounds you. What you can control is you. And that means positioning yourself in the best position for you, physically and psychologically.

If it were me and I had a place out in the country, it would be my go to spot. You can prep your resources as you need. Do not forget to secure them for when you're not around. That might be the tougher task. I'm certain you've heard stories from folks (particularly inside the Texas border) who go out to their lease/land sporadically throughout the year only to find the main house broken into. That is a reality to keep in mind prepping your place. Or, if you can keep a Chupacabra on hand to watch the place when you're not around then you don't have to worry.

An important rule in self defense is 'make space'. You create distance between you and the threat. By going an hour out, you've created some space from those opportunist who surround you in the city. Let's face it, it'll take dedication for a subject to drive an hour out and an hour back just to fish. If you have such a person come an hour out, then you're dealing with a different threat which you'll prepare for on another level.

Security is about layers. Physical/perimeter security - walls, fences, lights, audible alarms, dogs, sensors, cameras, terrain/topography, vegetation, gates, doors, locks, lines of sight....all examples of layers to consider and deploy.

You mentioned no guns. Honestly that would scare me to be without. Because bad guys with bad intentions are bringing weapons. Using edged or striking weapons means you have to be in arms reach close proximity to your threat. That defeats the entire purpose of making space.

I would encourage you to read up on subject matter in the area of psychology of first responders/crisis management/law enforcement. These professionals tap dance on crisis all day long and they must become mentally tough to handle it and not freak out or freeze up. Easier said than done. But, understanding those confrontations and how a person will feel in them will aid you should you ever be put in the position. Like I said, you have to keep your head in the game so you can stay in the fight. Being mentally prepared will help you make hard decisions in the long run. Stan, the paragraph I just typed is coming from personal perspective. I always knew, but now I know.