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the glocks are excelent weapons. but i still find then smaller versions bulky for concealment there double stack magazine makes for a wide handle in a concealment gun. I have a kal-tech .32 for my concealment gun. it takes alittle breaking in before the action becomes nice and smooth the manufacturer say 500 rounds or so. its small enough to fit under ur belt with a belt clip and not be noticed. walther also makes a nice small concealment gun but if u have fat hands the action tends to remove some skin. the .32's with hollow points got good reviews as far as other guns in that caliber range. dont be caught up in the bigger is better. if you cant hit ur target it doesnt matter how big it is. beside statistically if you are more than five or ten feet from the person or thing you are trying to hit you are gonna miss anyway.
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While I do agree with the notion that "anything is better than nothing", I personally wouldn't RELY on anything less than a 9MM for personal protection. If I ever have to shoot someone I only want to have to do it once. Shot placement is the most important thing, but the stopping power of the round plays a major role as well. Personally...I'd be hesitant to even carry a 9 MM without some good +P hollow points. I generally like .45, .40, .357 Sig or .357 for personal protection...in that order. Like I said before...anything is better than nothing, but I'd feel very uncomfortable if all I had in my pocket was a .25 or a .32...or even a .380 for that matter.

As far as Glocks being bulky....I find the 26/27/33 or the 36 to be quite slim (along with a number of other models with the same thickness). My G30 is a bit bulky, but I still like it and carry it daily. By the way...the 30 is always loaded with 10 + 1 rounds of Pro Load 200 gr. +P hollow points.

Just my opinion of course...

 

[quote author=GONZO link=board=10;threadid=16209;start=15#152542 date=1056410863]<br>I carry the Glock 27, nuthin like a .40 auto to inspire confidence in a bad situation. ;D<br>[/quote]<br><br> ;D ;D I love that little gun....but I still like my 30 better.

 

About concealed... ;D <br>I own a 1912 FN 6,35mm that I can hide in my hand- nothing special for self defence though. <br>I do own a Luger M90 9mm para. Stopping power is reasonable, but I'll have to change it since al types of hollow point ammo have been forbidden over here. :'( <br>I contemplate to go for a revolver, like either a 357 or a 44. <br>One of the most important things to be considered when carrying is that you have to be really proficient under the enormous stress this situation introduces. <br>Training is a key to this, and so is mental training. <br><br>AlpineRAM<br><br>PS, as if I needed to say this... Alcohol and firearms do not go together well...

 

Wow, I would have guessed it to be hard to own a gun in Austria, much less get a CCW permit. If your thinking of a revolver to conceal, a good one is a S&amp;W 5 shot snub nose. Get the .357 and you have the option of the hotter .357 load, or you can shoot .38 special with less recoil so you can keep the sight on target better. It's nice in stainless, then you don't have to worrry about sweat ruining it.

 

Well, there is no such thing as a CCW permit in Austria- basically there are 3 stages of handgun ownership.<br>First: Nothing ;D<br>Second: Allowed to own one or two, but not allowed to carry.<br>Third: Allowed to carry a loaded gun. The gun must not be visible unless you are in uniform. <br><br>I do not own a stage three license, I inherited the FN from my grandma who had an open permit since shortly after WW1 that had never been revoked. With my permit I am allowed to own a gun, and carry it loaded on enclosed areas if I have a permit for doing so by the owner of the area.<br>I could go for an international firearms passport that would allow me to carry a concealed weapon throughout the major part of Europe, but it's just not worth the hassle in my situation. (eg forbidden to carry on board of airplanes etc, lots of bureaucracy)<br>When I was carrying a concealed weapon I had an S&amp;W 38 airweight as a backup in an ankle holster. (Not when wearing shorts of course ;D ) and either a 45ACP hardballer with a n 8 rd mag or a IMI .50AE in a shoulder holster. Both of them were forced on me by the employer- the .50 being the more reliable gun, but both of them too heavy and bulky to be of much use. <br>AlpineRAM

 

On a side note....but related....has anyone tried the new Cor-Bon &quot;Pow'r Ball&quot; ammo?? I'm thinking of buying some but wondered if anyone else had tried it.

 

Glocks are downright reliable...but so is my favorite, Kimber Custom 8) 8) 45 is my choice of cal. ;D

 

I was looking for a good carry pistol and didn't like the glocks trigger safety. I ended up finding what I wanted slightly used for around $500. I have a stainless para ordance &quot;Para Carry&quot; with a 6 round magazine. It is the new double action only &quot;1911&quot;....<br><br>It shots excellent for a gun its size and I wear it on the strong side in a angled leather holster. I agree with what others have said. If I have to use a pistol, I want to be throwing the biggest bullet I can comfortably carry. For me that is the .45.

 

[quote author=Hoss link=board=10;threadid=16209;start=15#153138 date=1056544225]
On a side note....but related....has anyone tried the new Cor-Bon &quot;Pow'r Ball&quot; ammo?? I'm thinking of buying some but wondered if anyone else had tried it.
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We did some testing of thoses at Nosler a while back, December I think, they are awesome. Great FPS, and impact weight retention. They are a top Self-defense Load, with good accuracy in the 20-30 ft range.

A little snipit on the loads:
The new bullet design is different from anything else available, but seems so simple that it is amazing that it hasn't been done before in handgun ammunition. The bullet has a large cavity in front into which is inserted a polymer ball. The ball basically serves two functions. The first is to promote smooth feeding in autoloading pistols. The ball gives the bullet the shape and nose profile of hardball ( full metal jacketed ) ammunition, assuring that this ammo will feed in any handgun which will feed hardball. The smooth plastic nose slides right up the feed ramp with nary a hang-up.

The second function of that polymer ball, is to drive into the hollow cavity upon impact, initiating expansion of the bullet. A problem that plagues many hollowpoint designs is that upon shooting through heavy clothing, the hollow cavity becomes clogged with fibers and performs as a solid instead of a hollowpoint. Realizing that while some violent crimes are perpetrated in the nude, most are still committed by people who are at least partially clothed, making the problem of shooting through heavy clothing a real one. The cavity in the Pow'R Ball design cannot become clogged as can other hollowpoints, because it is clogged already. However, the difference is that the polymer ball promotes bullet expansion, instead of inhibiting it.

 

Good info Snowman. I've been looking at the Power Ball ammo since it came out but I wanted to give others time to test it before I bought any. Maybe I'll have to buy a few boxes and see how it shoots...

 

Can't go wrong with a 1911 but most of those are out that price range. <br><br>I absolutely love my Stainless Custom Classic Kimber, and my Utlra Carry II is nice as well. With it's 3&quot; barrel you can hind it a number of places.<br> <br>Spring Field Arms makes a nice gun called an XD, you can get it in 9mm or .40cal. I guy at work I shoot with has one and it's an awesome little shooter. Also has an extra safety the Glock does not. Think he paid $450 for it with 2 mags.<br><br>Here's a link to the XD Spring Field they also have a new 3&quot; sub compact out as well.<br><br>DB

 

Here's one for the &quot;Tactical Tupperware&quot; fans (Glocks).<br><br> http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9058/

 

What does it say? &quot;Weapons&quot; websites are blocked from my puter here at work. :

 

I just plink with the cheap ammo for now, carry with Hyrdra-shocks. When the log cabin is done once and for all, might start reloading. Heard about the issue with hollow points getting filled up. Also heard about guys using parafin or something to fill the hole to assist with loading. Never had a jam with the sig, so I never worried about trying it. ALso would be concerned about gumming something up. Had one stove- pipe, but that was after about 5-6 boxes of shells, and I'm sure I was getting a little tired to be holding the gun firmly. Any testing done to see if that polymer ball would assist the bullet to penetrate a vest? I would hope it was checked before releasing it.

 

I wouldn't think it would penetrate a vest any more than an FMJ would....