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Old 12-01-2017, 06:33 AM
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Gun control

I suspect that probably the majority of the DTR members are gun owners or for gun ownership, but also that there could be some here who are against anything to do with guns. Take a slow and careful read of the following and then decide what to do about all the garbage coming at you almost daily from the politicians, Hollywood, the mainstream media etc.

I have no idea if the following numbers are correct, but have read similar numbers from other sources recently, so am going to presume that these are correct until someone can refute them with facts and not opinions.

Facts matter!

This is sobering and reveals the truth behind those clamoring for gun laws. Don’t skim through. You’ll lose the essence of how broad the propaganda is that the progressives are pushing.

Liberals like to tell half a story. You know the side that fits their narrative.

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C.. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states.. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?

• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.....Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs..

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."
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God, don't muddle the hysteria with hard facts, Mexstan!
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Since I am not well acquainted with the US legal system regarding guns..

If I recall this correctly no felon may own a handgun?

How many of those roughly 5100 deaths were caused by people owning their guns illegally?
How many of those guns were acquired in an illegal way?

At least over here, any time there is a "gun crime" there is a reflex in our politicians that makes them flinch towards even stricter laws regarding gun ownership.

But most of the guns used in crimes over here are acquired through illegal means, owned and carried illegally and then used for plainly illegal purposes.

Is there any statistic about the rate of legally owned vs illegally owned guns for the crimes Mexstan stated?
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Our issue is the bad guys don't bother with the law, but the gun haters don't take this into consideration when they rant and rave, they just continue to fantasize that confiscation will stop all inexplicable gun deaths.

I didn't think we regarded suicide as a crime, however. But I suspect many of those guns would be legally owned...

Some of our strictest gun laws are in place in the areas of the worst gun violence, i.e robbery, gang related, drugs etc. and continue to top the charts year after year. I'd take a look at the population there....

And whenever there is a "legal" gun incident over here, the networks will never report on it. People defend themselves with firearms regularly with good outcomes....but you won't hear about it on CBS, NBC or ABC, CNN, FOX etc. Its taboo
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After experiencing the worst form of gun violence first hand, no one will ever be able to convince me that giving up my firearms will make me or anyone else safer. I will never, ever surrender my right to defend myself and others. And I will continue to stand against any person or government how will deny me that right.
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Gun control simply takes guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION.
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