Broken manifold stud
As the title says I've got a broken manifold bolt. Exhaust manifold. It's on the head of a 273 mopar that goes in a 66 Dart that I'm restoring. While attempting to extract stud my eez out broke off. Needless to say this became a lot longer task than I had hoped but it's out now. So now I have a larger hole than I started with and this stud was on the end of the head and went into the water jacket. I don't think a helicoil is a good option. I'm thinking I should use one of these from fastenal but if anyone here has a better option I'd love to hear it!!
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Never tried one of those before, just helicoils; but I agree, it may be better for your application. Please let us know how it works out if that's the way you end up going.
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Originally Posted by torquefan
(Post 3291417)
Never tried one of those before, just helicoils; but I agree, it may be better for your application. Please let us know how it works out if that's the way you end up going.
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I usually have some used 12mm or 14mm head bolts to throw away. For problems like yours I just cut off the head of one and drill a hole trough the threaded section on a lathe. Then I tap the appropriate thread for the stud, and cut off the rest. Voila- Instant insert.
Naturally you will have to drill and tap the head for the new insert. The advantage is that by going that big you are sure to be in good material on the head. HTH |
Originally Posted by AlpineRAM
(Post 3291422)
I usually have some used 12mm or 14mm head bolts to throw away. For problems like yours I just cut off the head of one and drill a hole trough the threaded section on a lathe. Then I tap the appropriate thread for the stud, and cut off the rest. Voila- Instant insert.
Naturally you will have to drill and tap the head for the new insert. The advantage is that by going that big you are sure to be in good material on the head. HTH |
Originally Posted by AlpineRAM
(Post 3291422)
I usually have some used 12mm or 14mm head bolts to throw away. For problems like yours I just cut off the head of one and drill a hole trough the threaded section on a lathe. Then I tap the appropriate thread for the stud, and cut off the rest. Voila- Instant insert.
Naturally you will have to drill and tap the head for the new insert. The advantage is that by going that big you are sure to be in good material on the head. HTH |
Originally Posted by capt.Ron
(Post 3291403)
As the title says I've got a broken manifold bolt. Exhaust manifold. It's on the head of a 273 mopar that goes in a 66 Dart that I'm restoring. While attempting to extract stud my eez out broke off. Needless to say this became a lot longer task than I had hoped but it's out now. So now I have a larger hole than I started with and this stud was on the end of the head and went into the water jacket. I don't think a helicoil is a good option. I'm thinking I should use one of these from fastenal but if anyone here has a better option I'd love to hear it!!
Thanks in Advance I like the idea of the timeserts, but not sure what size hole you would have to have, they look real thin. If this ever happens again, just stick weld a nut to the broken stud and easyout, the weld won't stick to the cast and the heat helps when you put the twist to her. |
Originally Posted by patdaly
(Post 3291450)
If this ever happens again, just stick weld a nut to the broken stud and easyout, the weld won't stick to the cast and the heat helps when you put the twist to her.
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Originally Posted by capt.Ron
(Post 3291429)
I thought about doing that and if I had a lathe I would be all over it!!
I usually give the "insert" one or two nice dents with the punch right at it's circumference to make the insert stay where it should while tightening and removing the stud in the future. |
Lookup oxtoolco on you tube. It's a machine shop guy and he did a small series about removing the toughest broken bolts. Tom Lipton Cool guy.
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Originally Posted by AlpineRAM
(Post 3291529)
You don't really need the lathe- just use the old stud hole as a pilot hole for the new bigger hole, tap, bolt in old head bolt, tighten, cut off and sand flat, use manifold to center punch, drill and tap for stud.
I usually give the "insert" one or two nice dents with the punch right at it's circumference to make the insert stay where it should while tightening and removing the stud in the future. |
Ok, I have dealt with a LOT of broken bolts over the years.
Here's where a small MIG welder shines. This should be a 3/8" bolt. So you drill a small hole all the way through. Then, if it Is broken off recessed, you take your kit, and build it out with weld, to just above the surface. Collar it with a washer, then weld a nut to the weld you have already built. Let the red go out of it, then hit it with deep creep, or your choice of inferior penetrating agent. Latch on with the appropriate box end wrench, and work it back an forth. It will come out. Now. To repair a damaged hole like that. Use of a heli coil is fine, even if it goes to the water jacket. Just use a good thread sealant on it. Otherwise, tap the hole to the next size up, and simply drill out the hole in the manifold, go for the larger bolt shank. Easy like Sunday morning. I probably have a few more tricks to do with rusted/seized parts,but that is another story. |
Pind......
I don't do facebook, and I'm still looking for the "like" button. I think I know, but why drill it through to start with? |
Originally Posted by j_martin
(Post 3291572)
Pind......
I don't do facebook, and I'm still looking for the "like" button. I think I know, but why drill it through to start with? |
Originally Posted by capt.Ron
(Post 3291574)
If you mean why drill through into the water jacket in the first place it's because it was made that way. Each end of the head was identical so, before I drilled my pilot hole for the eez out I pulled the stud on the opposite end to see how deep I could drill without drilling into the head. With that stud out it's an open hole into the water jacket.
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