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Old 10-03-2017, 10:05 PM   #16  
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I watched/heard some video from a cab at the hotel cab stand. It was pretty obvious that there was more than one gun firing. One was real close, and one or more in the distance. Not an echo by the timing.

450 yards with a 308, about 4' of drop on the flat, a little less shooting downhill.

This is all pretty much commodity stuff.

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And I seriously doubt any of it was aimed at any person in particular, just into the middle of a crowd of 20,000+. The trajectory of a .22 rimfire would be sufficient.

Honestly, I don't see how this one was preventable, and now that the stupid bad guys have seen a precedent...

I foresee a lot more domed stadiums being built for sports.
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Old 10-04-2017, 02:58 PM   #18  
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My BS detector keeps going off. I know what it's like for a fat old man (me) to put a few 30 cal rounds through a deer rifle. The narrative today is that a fat old man put hundreds of rounds rapid fire through such a weapon without any fire arms experience or training, and no military experience. Not only that, he did it with relative accuracy at 500 yards. For someone who is not very strong, and also trained and experienced, that is about impossible.Bump fire is tricky to do consistently, and 500 or more rounds would get pretty painful to an old fat man.


And of course he "committed suicide" before he was apprehended.


Something stinks.
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...The narrative today is that a fat old man put hundreds of rounds rapid fire through such a weapon without any fire arms experience or training, and no military experience. Not only that, he did it with relative accuracy at 500 yards. For someone who is not very strong, and also trained and experienced, that is about impossible.Bump fire is tricky to do consistently, and 500 or more rounds would get pretty painful to an old fat man.
Well, I must disagree. First, where are you hearing that he had no training or experience? I hear he had money. This training is easy to get, and it doesn't take very much at all to learn how to handle the basics of even a relatively complicated rifle like an AR-15. Now, learning how to be an expert and to shoot with exceptional accuracy is another thing. BUT...

I don't see how he showed accuracy ability. Were any of the people who were hit actually an intended specific target? He was firing into a crowd of over 20,000. I doubt he cared which one he hit, and I'm sure we'll find out that many shots hit no one. I'm still also wondering how many of the deaths and injuries weren't directly from gunfire at all. It might only be a few. But maybe not.

I regularly shoot competitions were we are shooting hundreds of rifle rounds in one session. In addition to the .223 being very mild in recoil, even a .308 is fairly mild when fired from a gas-operated semi-automatic, the action of which absorbs recoil. The only time I get bothered by too much recoil is when shooting the bolt-actions, and other non-semi-automatics. One match had me shooting 80 rounds each of .30-06 and 7.62x54mmR in one morning. My shoulder was sore the next three days from that one. And I was hitting targets from 200 to 900 meters, with iron sights.

While bump-firing an unmodified rifle can be tricky and require practice, especially depending on the rifle, the accessories out there to make it easier work fairly well. I've always found them to be a waste of ammunition unless impressing girls.
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Sucks that the shooter is apparently from New Braunfels...where I now live.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:06 AM   #22  
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Trump is now getting heat for saying things like, "May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas." and "Fortunately, somebody else had a gin at the Texas Shooting."

It looks like someone with a game rifle met the shooter outside the church and managed to place one shot between his body armor plates, fatally wounding him.

In our church, some of the deacons pack heat. They are very good shooters as well.
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How many more people will they murder to disarm us?
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My friend was there. He "escorted" his wife and friend to safety and went back to help others. Darn hero who's suffering though some serious PTSD now.
There's a support group at a local country western restaurant he's attending and they have 50 members already.
He's resumed attending AA again as booze is clearly not the answer. That night in Vegas was an act of pure evil.
Whatever happened to working out your issues without shooting? There's a lot of guys out there that need to grow some cojones.
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It looks like someone with a game rifle met the shooter outside the church and managed to place one shot between his body armor plates, fatally wounding him.
The good guy also had an AR15, kinda makes it more difficult to complain, not that it has slowed them down any.
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Whatever happened to working out your issues without shooting? There's a lot of guys out there that need to grow some cojones.
What happened was the advent of Psychotropic drugs and the Doctors who have now prescribed them to 1 in 6 Americans. We don't know for sure yet that the Texas shooter was on them, but every other mass murderer that was not Islamic has been on them when they committed their evil.

Nobody seems to want to address this issue, rather they want to try and take our guns.
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What happened was the advent of Psychotropic drugs and the Doctors who have now prescribed them to 1 in 6 Americans. We don't know for sure yet that the Texas shooter was on them, but every other mass murderer that was not Islamic has been on them when they committed their evil.

Nobody seems to want to address this issue, rather they want to try and take our guns.
One of my home schooled kids was very active and seemed to be full of mischief. He's grown up into a man who will make things happen no matter what he does.

He's often thanked me for not sending him to public school where his level of liveliness would have been drugged into submission.
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