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.44, .454 or my rem 870 with pistol grip and 18" barrel

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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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.44, .454 or my rem 870 with pistol grip and 18" barrel (bear protection)

I have a project coming up that will require me to be spending a lot of time on the shores of the Yukon river in AK by myself. I am gun shopping for my bear protection needs. the question is, what to get.

I would like either a .44 or a .454, but they are running about a grand. is it a decent option to put a pistol grip on my rem 870, and an 18" slug barrel? The idea here is to make it easily packable.

I like the pistol because I can wear it, but the shotgun would only cost me a few hundred to shrink down in size and I can just strap it to my backpack.

so, what should I do?
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 10:48 PM
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Its your life your talking about...dont let the money scare you off. Not sure what it takes for a bear, but seems like a pistol would be better for carrying and having on your person all the time.
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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From: an Alaskan living in Des Moines Iowa....
True.

I hear a .357 can take a bear down. its what my grandma used to use in ruby, AK

I have a buddy who is a guide who recently took down a charging grizzly with a 454 casull, so I KNOW that works. haven't heard much on a .44
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 03:19 AM
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A 44 will do the job, nice piece to pack on the hip. I would go with a Ruger as they will handle hotter loads, I pack 320 gr solid brass rounds in bear country. If out by myself I also pack my 45/70 which IMHBAO is the best to back.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 06:31 AM
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I don't know which one will work best, but I'd like to know what the project is!

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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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The .500 S&W seems to hold a slight edge in ballistics over the 454 Casull.

I personally like the idea of a pistol grip riot shotgun and using Brenneke Black Magic 3" magnum slugs. Side sling and carry it Israeli style (hanging from the front).

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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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The handguns may look cooler, but they will not have the stopping power of a 12 ga shotgun! Take out the plug & you'll be able to put 5 or 6 2 3/4 inch slugs in the magazine. The diameter of the slug is .73 & it weighs 437.5 grains. I did a little research & the muzzle velocity of the .454 is about the same as the 12 ga. The shotgun may be a little more inconvienient to carry, but it should provide more protection.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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Why not get a Co pilot from Wild West Guns in Alaska? If your looking at a .44Mag then a Mares leg mite interesting as well.JBCustom makes a legal version of it. As for me a Copilot is what I would take.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:16 AM
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I woudln't count out a Taurus Judge. You can get it all the way down to 3" barrel and the new 3" chamber ones will allow 3" .410 slugs/shotshells and.or .45 long colt. Either round will save your life against a bear. They can be had for less than $600 market price and are easily packable and/or concealable for "other" projects.


http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...adcrumbseries=
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by chaikwa
I don't know which one will work best, but I'd like to know what the project is!

chaikwa.
its a documentary project I am working on. can't say much more than that for the time being.

I should have mentioned that, seeing as it adds to the equation. I will be carrying a camera, tripod and back pack, so that's why I was looking at a handgun. but I figured if I could save some money and just modify the rem 870, I could just strap that to my backpack.

I have been looking at taurus, the local scheels had one in stock, are they pretty reliable?

I was looking at this one online:
http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...rumbseries=RB2
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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I wouldnt strap any gun to your backpack... bears can run 30-40 mph. You wont have enough time.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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I'm a huge fan of the 870 but in this case, you'd be better off with a handgun. An 18' shotgun strapped to your back pack doesn't do you any good against a charging bear. .44 have been bear protection for a long time and work. The .454 is also a decent choice. Either way, get a chest holster so you can get at it easily while wearing a backpack or whatever else you are wearing at the time.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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ok, so revolver it is.

Another gun I was looking at was the ruger super redhawk alaskan, .454 2 1/2" barrel.

it looks like it would be perfect to keep me safe, but also stay out of the way.
is that 2 1/2" barrel gonna be a problem?
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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A double-action revolver in .44 magnum with a 4" or 6" barrel would be my choice, carried in a low holster so it doesn't get wrapped up in your coat.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ian515
ok, so revolver it is.

Another gun I was looking at was the ruger super redhawk alaskan, .454 2 1/2" barrel.

it looks like it would be perfect to keep me safe, but also stay out of the way.
is that 2 1/2" barrel gonna be a problem?
You won't be going for distance and won't have a lot of time to "aim" so the barrel length shouldn't be a problem. Now, if you were going for more than 20 feet with accuracy in mind then you may want to go with at least a 4" barrel and longer the better. You will be shooting at distances less than 20 feet with a point and shoot like mad until the carnage is over so barrel length shouldn't matter in my opinion.

I still would consider the Judge. I looked at the store that usually do business with here locally and they have about 10 of them ranging in price from $425 to $460 for the new 3" chambered guns. Barrel lengths vary from 2.5" to 6". They sell alot of them for grizzly protection around here.
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