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Totally depends on the type of rock when it comes to Bogger performance! Where I live in the area of the Canadian Shield, there is a a lot of slate and jagged rock....Boggers and Swampers work excellent in this environment because their really large lugs grab and hook the rock and the very tough sidewalls offer excellent protection. You may also notice that many of the hardcore trucks that wheel in the East and through the Appalachian mountains will also be running the 40" - 44" Swamper and Bogger over the dedicated crawler tires because they are much more versatile and wheel well on that type of rock and are offered in the larger sizes that are required to traverse that type of terrain.
The dedicated crawler tires clearly excel in the slicker and smoother rock that the west offers but for those of us that need a tire that works well in a more diverse offroad environment, they don't work so well.
The dedicated crawler tires clearly excel in the slicker and smoother rock that the west offers but for those of us that need a tire that works well in a more diverse offroad environment, they don't work so well.
Yeah most of the trails I wheel on are slick rock and one trail in particular is ALWAYS wet and makes it one slippery son of a gun!!! Granted there is still loose rock and stuff like that, but it was a night and day difference taking those boggers off and putting the Toyo's on!!! Can't decide what kind of tire to run with when I put the 40's on though???? Any thoughts?
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Yeah most of the trails I wheel on are slick rock and one trail in particular is ALWAYS wet and makes it one slippery son of a gun!!! Granted there is still loose rock and stuff like that, but it was a night and day difference taking those boggers off and putting the Toyo's on!!! Can't decide what kind of tire to run with when I put the 40's on though???? Any thoughts?
~Nick
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You could go with the 40" Goodyear, 39" BFG Crawler, 39" or 42" IROK and not much else except maybe Maxxis(?).....drop down to 38's and you could add Nitto and Toyo to the list...
A few guys in our club are running 42" IROK's and they stick like glue on the slick rock....but absolutely suck in the mud.
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If you don't go the Swamper/Bogger route, the selection of 40" Crawler tires isn't large, but it is getting better....
You could go with the 40" Goodyear, 39" BFG Crawler, 39" or 42" IROK and not much else except maybe Maxxis(?).....drop down to 38's and you could add Nitto and Toyo to the list...
A few guys in our club are running 42" IROK's and they stick like glue on the slick rock....but absolutely suck in the mud.
You could go with the 40" Goodyear, 39" BFG Crawler, 39" or 42" IROK and not much else except maybe Maxxis(?).....drop down to 38's and you could add Nitto and Toyo to the list...
A few guys in our club are running 42" IROK's and they stick like glue on the slick rock....but absolutely suck in the mud.
I thought about doing the 39.5" Irocks because they seem to work extremely well like you said on the rocks. Plus I can get them for a smoking deal through my buddy. I never really play much in the mud, so I'm not to worried about that.
The crawlers are sweet.........but good god are they proud of them
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I think anything over 40" tires are useless for wheeling......now mud that is a whole different story, but wheeling that big of tire would be hard not to break stuff.
Mud I'd say the bigger the better......them 53" bad boys would be ideal for that!
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Yikes, I'm going to just have come right out and disagree with that statement!!
Try telling that to the rest of the Eastern boys rolling on 44's....bigger tires will drive over bigger objects with more clearance - it's that simple.....Out in these parts and in the Appalachian mountains (where I frequent), wheelbase and big tires are the rule and not the exception for the hardcore crowd.....there is terrain that is mostly impassable if you are not on 44's. I'm running on 40's and seriously considering the jump to 44's because I'm getting left high and dry from time to time chasing after the big dogs....I'm not into mud bogging - just hardcore trails that have it all....
Try telling that to the rest of the Eastern boys rolling on 44's....bigger tires will drive over bigger objects with more clearance - it's that simple.....Out in these parts and in the Appalachian mountains (where I frequent), wheelbase and big tires are the rule and not the exception for the hardcore crowd.....there is terrain that is mostly impassable if you are not on 44's. I'm running on 40's and seriously considering the jump to 44's because I'm getting left high and dry from time to time chasing after the big dogs....I'm not into mud bogging - just hardcore trails that have it all....
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Hello Ouverson? I have a feeling that company is about to grow big time......they seem to be the only game around for the ultra trick Rockwell hard parts.....Forged Chromoly 2" 47 spline axle shafts, billet 47 spline lockers, billet 47 spline lock outs - very cool stuff....it looks like it would cost about the same to build a pimped Rock as it would a pimped D60.
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Yikes, I'm going to just have come right out and disagree with that statement!!
Try telling that to the rest of the Eastern boys rolling on 44's....bigger tires will drive over bigger objects with more clearance - it's that simple.....Out in these parts and in the Appalachian mountains (where I frequent), wheelbase and big tires are the rule and not the exception for the hardcore crowd.....there is terrain that is mostly impassable if you are not on 44's. I'm running on 40's and seriously considering the jump to 44's because I'm getting left high and dry from time to time chasing after the big dogs....I'm not into mud bogging - just hardcore trails that have it all....
Try telling that to the rest of the Eastern boys rolling on 44's....bigger tires will drive over bigger objects with more clearance - it's that simple.....Out in these parts and in the Appalachian mountains (where I frequent), wheelbase and big tires are the rule and not the exception for the hardcore crowd.....there is terrain that is mostly impassable if you are not on 44's. I'm running on 40's and seriously considering the jump to 44's because I'm getting left high and dry from time to time chasing after the big dogs....I'm not into mud bogging - just hardcore trails that have it all....
I know people think I'm a retard for saying that but in my opinion they are just way to big for me........they only way I would ever run those is if I had a complete tube buggy where I could keep the center of gravity low and then MAYBE I would think about it. Most rigs these days you have to lift so high to be able to clear that massive tire, that they get so dang top heavy and I personally don't like that feeling when I'm crawling over rocks.
I had to lift the heck out of my XJ to be able to fit 35"s under it let alone 44"s.......that thing would sit so freakin tall it'd be scary. Now the way I have it now I can fit bigger tires with no more lift......but that's because I have no body on it.
I'll stay with some 40"s thanks!!!
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I know people think I'm a retard for saying that but in my opinion they are just way to big for me........they only way I would ever run those is if I had a complete tube buggy where I could keep the center of gravity low and then MAYBE I would think about it. Most rigs these days you have to lift so high to be able to clear that massive tire, that they get so dang top heavy and I personally don't like that feeling when I'm crawling over rocks.
I had to lift the heck out of my XJ to be able to fit 35"s under it let alone 44"s.......that thing would sit so freakin tall it'd be scary. Now the way I have it now I can fit bigger tires with no more lift......but that's because I have no body on it.
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I had to lift the heck out of my XJ to be able to fit 35"s under it let alone 44"s.......that thing would sit so freakin tall it'd be scary. Now the way I have it now I can fit bigger tires with no more lift......but that's because I have no body on it.
~Nick
i will agree w/ you. in colorado, there would be no need for huge tires. like you said, it would make the center of gravity too high when your crawling rocks. in Texas, on the other hand, (specifically the gulf coast) there are no rocks. we have thick boggy mud. we need tall tire to get our axles out of the gook. if you look at an average off roader in florida, it has rockwells and 50"+ tractor tires.
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i will agree w/ you. in colorado, there would be no need for huge tires. like you said, it would make the center of gravity too high when your crawling rocks. in Texas, on the other hand, (specifically the gulf coast) there are no rocks. we have thick boggy mud. we need tall tire to get our axles out of the gook. if you look at an average off roader in florida, it has rockwells and 50"+ tractor tires.
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Nick,
To a point, I agree with what you are saying......the successful trail Jeeps that run 44's are not lifted high at all....they are as low as reasonably possible.....my Jeep on 40's with no top is the exact same height as my 3500 (which is stock). Usually, the trucks that are jacked to the moon are the full size trucks on 44's that shouldn't be on the tough trails anyway - I leave the mud bogging to them. As you aptly pointed out, your truck is not the best candidate for 44's - there just isn't the room to accommodate them without the truck being far too tall to be useful on tough trails.....just remember that there are trucks that can fit them without being tall. Since the purpose built crawler tires do so poorly in terrain they weren't intended for and the IROK is the only tire offered in sizes over 40", you will have a tough time talking most of us in the East out of our Swampers. The Swamper is our version of an "All Terrain" and excels at operating in a variety of conditions we encounter unlike the crawler tires designed for crawling in the western terrains.
To a point, I agree with what you are saying......the successful trail Jeeps that run 44's are not lifted high at all....they are as low as reasonably possible.....my Jeep on 40's with no top is the exact same height as my 3500 (which is stock). Usually, the trucks that are jacked to the moon are the full size trucks on 44's that shouldn't be on the tough trails anyway - I leave the mud bogging to them. As you aptly pointed out, your truck is not the best candidate for 44's - there just isn't the room to accommodate them without the truck being far too tall to be useful on tough trails.....just remember that there are trucks that can fit them without being tall. Since the purpose built crawler tires do so poorly in terrain they weren't intended for and the IROK is the only tire offered in sizes over 40", you will have a tough time talking most of us in the East out of our Swampers. The Swamper is our version of an "All Terrain" and excels at operating in a variety of conditions we encounter unlike the crawler tires designed for crawling in the western terrains.
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Oh by far the swampers are the best all around wheeling tire you can get!! I've had many sets of TSL, SX's, radials, and now SSR's on the Dodge, and I've loved every single set!!! I've just never had anything over a 38" tire.
You make a good point that there are some rigs that can fit massive tires without much lift at all, but most of them are full size rigs like blazers and broncos. A lot of trails out here are a major PITA with a full size rig so most of us usually stick to the Jeeps and Toyotas and have to suffer with not being able to fit as big of tire. Although you can fit some massive tires under CJ's and wranglers like yours.
If I did a lot of multi puropose wheeling, then that'd be a totally different story on tire size and tread type, but pretty much all I do is rocks and more rocks and a lot of very tippy trails where height will screw me.
~Nick
You make a good point that there are some rigs that can fit massive tires without much lift at all, but most of them are full size rigs like blazers and broncos. A lot of trails out here are a major PITA with a full size rig so most of us usually stick to the Jeeps and Toyotas and have to suffer with not being able to fit as big of tire. Although you can fit some massive tires under CJ's and wranglers like yours.
If I did a lot of multi puropose wheeling, then that'd be a totally different story on tire size and tread type, but pretty much all I do is rocks and more rocks and a lot of very tippy trails where height will screw me.
~Nick