Some interesting Diesel facts
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I've seen and heard of detroit 6v92's and 6v71's that will burp and fart and then start running in reverse. Those are some interesting engines.
The big difference with "accidental reversals" is that exhaust comes out the intake and fresh air comes in the exhaust.
On a marine diesel the cam timing is shifted so that all the gases use the proper plumbing.
On a marine diesel the cam timing is shifted so that all the gases use the proper plumbing.
Originally Posted by mule3010
We still have a 1930ish JD with the pony start gas engine. I think the pony is a 3 hp wisconsin. Pull start the pony, release the comp lever on the main and away you go. They were really fairly common on 20-30ish diesel tractors.
Joe
Joe
There is a picture of a Cat pony motor here http://www.angelfire.com/yt/ponymotor/
Note it probably has more hp and is twice as heavy as any of the four cylinder engines used in new cars and can see why starting it with a pull rope was a real pain. Look close to the bottom left of the large air cleaner for the handle that engages the clutch to turn over the diesel engine.
The add on electric starter only starts the pony, not the diesel. Getting rid of the pull rope requires that you add batteries and an alternator, the older Cats had no electrical system. Most Cats of this era didn't have hydraulics either, the blade was lifted by a wench and cable.
Here's a pony for a smaller D4 Cat, two opposed cylinders with the pulley the starter rope wrapped on shown.
Note it probably has more hp and is twice as heavy as any of the four cylinder engines used in new cars and can see why starting it with a pull rope was a real pain. Look close to the bottom left of the large air cleaner for the handle that engages the clutch to turn over the diesel engine.
The add on electric starter only starts the pony, not the diesel. Getting rid of the pull rope requires that you add batteries and an alternator, the older Cats had no electrical system. Most Cats of this era didn't have hydraulics either, the blade was lifted by a wench and cable.
Here's a pony for a smaller D4 Cat, two opposed cylinders with the pulley the starter rope wrapped on shown.
I used to work with my neighbor who drilled well. One of his well drilling trucks had a Duetz motor that was pony start by a 4 cylinder ford industrial gas engine. We could also get the duetz to run in reverse when we needed to pull cable back up faster
Side note: Dont the newer rotax motors in ski doo sleds fire in reverse to get the machine back-up?
Side note: Dont the newer rotax motors in ski doo sleds fire in reverse to get the machine back-up?
Originally Posted by rammtuff
Did they call these "pup" engines? My dad talks about having a 2 cyl diesel on a JD farm tractor with a gas engine to start it. The gasser was a rope pull and you let it warm up and did something to start the diesel
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...cat=500&page=3
Originally Posted by infidel
Most Cats of this era didn't have hydraulics either, the blade was lifted by a wench and cable.
The bad thing about the detroits running backwards is they would suck the oil back out of the motor and if you didn't drop the clutch and kill it fast then you just spent a load of money. My dad had a truck that did this. He had a friend of his driving it and it took him a minute to talk him into dumping the clutch but he did it soon enough to keep from blowing metal everywhere.
Originally Posted by EClancy
I used to work with my neighbor who drilled well. One of his well drilling trucks had a Duetz motor that was pony start by a 4 cylinder ford industrial gas engine. We could also get the duetz to run in reverse when we needed to pull cable back up faster
Side note: Dont the newer rotax motors in ski doo sleds fire in reverse to get the machine back-up?
Side note: Dont the newer rotax motors in ski doo sleds fire in reverse to get the machine back-up?
And Rudolph Diesel's first compression ignition engine ran on vegetable oil, not diesel fuel.
Speaking of diesel fuel, Henry Ford once said we must never, ever become dependant on any foreign country for fuel. He was a smart man.
Speaking of diesel fuel, Henry Ford once said we must never, ever become dependant on any foreign country for fuel. He was a smart man.



