Thanks Pappyman and in actuality refineries have product exchange for shortages due to supply problems between refineries and oil companies. There is no garrantee the fuel at the pumps today came from the same refinery as last week. As an example right now City Service from Kalispell Montana is hauling fuel from Edmonton Alberta (Shell) because Esso Edmonton is being upgraded and Flying J in Utah is short of product due to high winter usage. Also when trucks load gasoline the additives are available at all tank farms for each company to maintain there advertised product. An example of this is Esso (Exxon) gas additives are different from Shell and these can be accessed at any tank farm. Another situation is Mohawk up here has Alcohol added and is a Esso account but right now they load at Shell who must supply the same alcohol additive and it as easy as flipping the switch to Unleaded Regular/ Mohawk Blend. The computor will not allow anybody without a Mohawk load number to access this additive. Geographically I am only familiar with this area as to who supplies what to who but it happens nationwide with very few acceptions (Newfoundland-Irving Oil). Base oil stocks are similar but lets not start a mass BBQ. PK

 

Pk I agree about the customer confusion about fuels and the need for facts...any professional diesel god will have testing facts to back him self up and hear say is only a roomer mill that people believe...fuel is fuel is fuel what makes one better then the other is the cost...if a fuel causes damage then dont use it....can it be any be any more simple then that...remember this fuel flows to you from a pipe line....how many pipes are you getting your fuel from...give me the facts<br> : : : :

 

I don't believe the red fuel eats away the seals in the pump. I have seen many of tractors made by Case IH that run the B5.9 engine just like mine. They run red fuel in them without any problems. I have 130k on my truck and never had a problem yet. We us BP diesel fuel.<br>DM01

 

Wasn't there a problem with some injector seals when the switch was first made from high to low sulfur fuel in some Cummins engines? But everything soon settled back downin place..<br><br>ALSO the low vs high sulfur content is an EPA requirement/regulation.. and the have big fines (like $100,000ish i think i was told) for running high sulfur fuel in a HIGHWAY vehicle.. So your state may allow you to run dyed fuel in a farm vehicle, but you could be in violation of federal codes..

 

I didn't mean to stir up so much.I have 5 farm tractors ranging from early 60's to late 90's they don't seem to care about any fuel changes in the last 60 some-odd years. And I thought I'd ask the experts about the CTD,not that I'm going to use it anyway.

 

I have a 50 R model JD diesel and a 59 730 diesel and run the on road fuel in both. Can't see any difference in either. The off road is harder to get around here but I have run it a few times in the tractors only..

 

Aside from possibly saving a few bucks..........don't know why you would want to burn off road red dye diesel. It is 40 cetane and the legal road taxed pump stuff is 45 cetane. The green dye burns better and make more power. <br><br>The off road is alot higher sulfur content and has better pump lubrication properties as well as smokes more. (which is a dead give away to the revenue/IRS diesel cop) <br><br>The legal pump fuel with a good fuel additive is better all the way around. Unless you can get JP-5,8 or Jet-A : : : Just mix a little more fuel additive......these fuels have VERY poor pump lubrication qualities and your exhaust temps may be a bit higher and they are great cold weather fuels too.

 

My Kubota tractor cannot tell the difference. When I run out of farm fuel I top up with truck fuel. No leaks, no problems and no discernable power difference.

 

Here, the guy I know who was found with dyed diesel in his tank was fined and then charged the tax for every mile on the odometer and all the fuel the truck ever burnt. I believe the fine was $8,000. It was a PSD too.

 

I have 02 ctd and a new holland ,international tractors I don't see one bit of difference between on /off road fuel .and we do switch them back and forth quite a bit

 

[quote author=tool link=board=8;threadid=10565;start=30#101762 date=1044598838]<br>Here, the guy I know who was found with dyed diesel in his tank was fined and then charged the tax for every mile on the odometer and all the fuel the truck ever burnt. I believe the fine was $8,000. It was a PSD too.<br>[/quote]<br><br>If he didn't fight that one, he deserves what he got. I'm not certain any prosecutor would be able to enforce anything further than the capacity of the suspect tank. They would have to prove he did it on prior occasions to charge him with all the mileage. That $8000 was probably fines and costs associated with tax evasion. I'm certain each fill up would be considered as a single charge, they would have to make a serious effort to prove more than the current incident.