The guy was running B99! Wether he knew B5 was the max or not, it's still HIS fault (should of read his owners manual). It's like when we BOMB our trucks, WE become our own warranty station!

And that's the bottom line!

 

Oh you mean like Cummins said its ok to use B-20 in their engines and yet Dodge has not yet approved it? I asked a Dodge Ast SM today this same Q about B-20 and I was told to only use B-5 if I have any warranty on my truck as he has not heard of Dodge Oking B-20 for use in our trucks and to use nothing more then B-5

 

I feel sorry for the guy,but who in their right mind would buy one of those trucks that has had nothing but problems and disasters from the beginning.......oops I mean before that sorry it started with the 6.0. All kidding and making fun aside,the guy shouldnt have ran the 99 if it says not to in the manual.But if the engine indeed has reports of it doing similar things regardless of the fuel because of the injectors the guy is right to seek retribution.Also I agree with the comment of the uninformed will keep buying good ol v8 diesels as long as diesel power says to and has flashy adds on the inside cover.

 

While I agree 100% that Ford does have some major, major issues, (Did I mention major issues ) I don't think we can claim to be "high and mighty". Seems to me the newer Cummins powered trucks are having some injector issues as well.

But as far as what I would buy, if I were in the market for a truck TODAY? Well you see what I am driving.....I don't think it would change

 

You seriously expect me to believe that you read your owners manual BEFORE you put in the first full tank of fuel to find out what type to use?!?!? I'll have to take exception to the comparison of bombing our trucks (modifying the programming or mechanical components) and using station-bought (I'm assuming not home-brewed) B99. The manufacturer knows what's being marketed as fuel at the time of production. If B99 = BOOM, they should have had a warning on the dash.

 

My NEW truck came with a full tank of fuel! And YES after I made the 400+ mile trip home in it, I did read the owners manual!

 

There is a thing called "due diligence". Yes you are expected to find out what kind of fuel the manufacturer recommends BEFORE you fuel it. Do you mean to tell me because there is E85 available that you should be able to use it in any gas vehicle? I think that if they are going to warranty or exchange his truck he caught a huge break.

 

Ford just proving themselves again i especially like the part where he refers to the psd as high performance

 

I will have to not agree with you here. E85 to a gasoline engine is completely different then bio is to a diesel. In order to run E85, a gas engine must be designed to compensate for the lean condition over regular unleaded. It also needs to have fuel system components that will not corrode for the ethanol.
Bio on the other hand, will burn just like #2. The only upgrade needed would be a 5 micron or better filter to keep water out. The only reason manufacturers are not approving high percentages for biodiesel is there are no official standards for it's production.
I think it should be up to the warranting company to prove that the fuel doesn't meet the fuel systems requirements, just saying that there is too much non-petroleum based fuel doesn't cut it for me.

 

You're making my point exactly. Just because is on the market doesn't mean that it can be used in any vehicle. If they don't want you to use bio diesel above a certain percentage, and state so in a published owners manual, then they shouldn't have to honor it for warranty purposes. Just because we might not agree with them has no bearing on what they warrant or don't. If you don't agree with the terms of their warranty, don't buy their product. If you want to use another oil, grease, fuel, etc. then what they recommend, you are then taking all of the risk for any failure.

 

what I am saying is......the truck must have had no fuel in it when he bought it. Then he added the bio and drove around a few mile and blew......I am skeptical on whether the fuel blew the engine! I am not saying he should have put that kinda of fuel in the truck.....but who know's if it was just a fluke. the engine may been assembled incorrectly.

I am not picking sides here. but it would suck to be in that guys shoes!

I do know one thing! If I pay $55k for a new truck its going to have a FULL tank of fuel before I leave the dealer

 

Sorry, but I'm on Ford's side here. The guy knowingly put in a greater concentration of bio-diesel than he knew was acceptable.

I'm with the guy that compared it to bombing a truck. If you do things outside of the manufacturer's specifications you become your own warranty station. The manual said no more than B5. That is painfully clear.

 

If I buy a diesel truck I'm not reading the owners manual to know if I can put diesel in it or not...but if I started thinking of alternative fuels, such as bio, then yes I would check the manual because its out of the norm. Especially since they have recently made alot of changes with the ultra low sulfur diesel etc.

 

They should have to prove that the bio caused the failure, not just rip up the warranty because he is running a non-approved part/consumable. If his negligence caused the failure, then give him the bill. If it would have failed wether or not he was running the bio, then Ford better suck it up.

 

I read mine over the first 2 days I owned the truck. I fueled with #2 as it's the only thing in my area. My manual said nothing more than B5. As to who is responsible for the fuel that goes into the vehicle, the owner is. The owner admitted he fueled the vehicle with a non-approved fuel. The engine or it's components suffered a failure. An investigation followed to determine the cause of the failure and the manufacturer took a stand. The manufacturer changed their position on the cause of the engine failure and attempted to rectify the situation with the vehicles owner. That's pretty simple, isn't it? One other thing, has anyone ever seen a piece of rented equipment from U-Haul being operated at 45 mph. Every piece of their towable equipment I've ever seen has one warning posted all over it, "Maximum speed 45 mph". They know you're most likely not going to run 45 but they recommend it anyway. Why, because it's safer. I wonder if Dodge and Ford feel the same about bio-diesel?