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03-05-2004, 01:26 PM
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While we're at it we should limit the number of pensions these career politicians collect. If they hold 10 different offices they collect 10 pensions and most of them are independantly wealthy to begin with or they couldn't afford to run for office. That's why the country is going broke, they vote themselves 10-20% raises while the working man has to fight to get 3% not even keeping up with inflation.
03-05-2004, 01:54 PM
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That sounds a little to good to be true Mexstan, also if it is asking to much for suppliers to make more biodiesel out of readily available waste or new veggie oil then surely nobody can put the effort forth to gather the waste do this process in order to make the fuel.
In 2006 the DOE is planning on changing our current diesel to ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD), theoretically if all the suppliers currently refining diesel keep making it for ULSD the price will go up $.05-.10/gal. However it is speculated that a few of the suppliers won't bother to convert from the 500ppm sulfur to the new 15ppm requirement which the DOE predicts (short term, hopefully!) diesel shortages and price spikes. The current method of removing sulfur also removes much of the lubricant in the diesel fuel so I'm hoping biodiesel may catch on then due to the price spikes, shortages, need for a fuel with less than 15ppm sulfur and good system lubricity.
Btw- diesel fuel prices still haven't changed here, whether that is good or bad. $1.599 low & $1.699 high.
In 2006 the DOE is planning on changing our current diesel to ultra low sulfur diesel (ULSD), theoretically if all the suppliers currently refining diesel keep making it for ULSD the price will go up $.05-.10/gal. However it is speculated that a few of the suppliers won't bother to convert from the 500ppm sulfur to the new 15ppm requirement which the DOE predicts (short term, hopefully!) diesel shortages and price spikes. The current method of removing sulfur also removes much of the lubricant in the diesel fuel so I'm hoping biodiesel may catch on then due to the price spikes, shortages, need for a fuel with less than 15ppm sulfur and good system lubricity.
Btw- diesel fuel prices still haven't changed here, whether that is good or bad. $1.599 low & $1.699 high.
03-05-2004, 02:26 PM
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Mexstan: All well and good, but not practical. Currently available is the synthetic crude from Canada, right now $12/bbl. We are close to the supply vs 6 wks by tanker. It's light sweet crude, which is made into various grades of unleaded.
What's practical is the obvious-NG, LPG, LNG or even Methane. Wyoming produces enormous amounts of methane gas. 3000 wells and more coming. We don't know where it's been shipped to or what it's been used for. For all I know, another country is getting the benefit of our cheaply produced methane.
There's more hydrated gases available right here than in all the fossil fuels in the world. So, why aren't we insisting on it?
http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/g...tes/title.html
Our neighbor to the North has the most numbers of vehicles that run on propane. It's readily available all over the country. Their Federal Govt has required it for govt owned vehicles for years and years. And, there's no sales tax on that alternative fuel. It's clean energy. Propane powered vehicles lose about 5% in mileage and hp is not affected. Cost savings are HUGE. I know a fellow up there who had a 1990 Ford V-8 van powered by LPG. He changed oil at 25k mi and plugs lasted 100k mi. When he sold it in 1994, it had 224k mi. Their govt supports and encourages people to use it. If we weren't so damned dependent on foreign oil................
What's practical is the obvious-NG, LPG, LNG or even Methane. Wyoming produces enormous amounts of methane gas. 3000 wells and more coming. We don't know where it's been shipped to or what it's been used for. For all I know, another country is getting the benefit of our cheaply produced methane.
There's more hydrated gases available right here than in all the fossil fuels in the world. So, why aren't we insisting on it?
http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/g...tes/title.html
Our neighbor to the North has the most numbers of vehicles that run on propane. It's readily available all over the country. Their Federal Govt has required it for govt owned vehicles for years and years. And, there's no sales tax on that alternative fuel. It's clean energy. Propane powered vehicles lose about 5% in mileage and hp is not affected. Cost savings are HUGE. I know a fellow up there who had a 1990 Ford V-8 van powered by LPG. He changed oil at 25k mi and plugs lasted 100k mi. When he sold it in 1994, it had 224k mi. Their govt supports and encourages people to use it. If we weren't so damned dependent on foreign oil................
03-05-2004, 02:33 PM
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It's my pot and I'll stir it if I want to. If you're not careful, I'll stir your's as well!
Practical or not, there are alternatives. So the question is, why is your government so insistant on using expensive foreign oil? And thereby allowing themselves to be held hostage? Why are not you, the American consumer and taxpayer, screaming loud and long about this?
03-05-2004, 03:23 PM
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Because it falls on deaf ears. Simply stated, they don't want to hear rationale thought processes and will use price controls instead.
Even you must admit, that 600 bbl/day output is not cost effective? http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...2-kantor_x.htm
This might best explain about sour (high sulphur) crude and light sweet (low sulphur) crude. www.bankspower.com/tech_aboutdieselfuel.cfm
Even you must admit, that 600 bbl/day output is not cost effective? http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...2-kantor_x.htm
This might best explain about sour (high sulphur) crude and light sweet (low sulphur) crude. www.bankspower.com/tech_aboutdieselfuel.cfm
03-05-2004, 04:07 PM
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It's my pot and I'll stir it if I want to. If you're not careful, I'll stir your's as well!
So if I interpret this correctly, it goes back to a term I use often: "self serving politicians".
Correct?
Correct?
03-05-2004, 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Mexstan
So if I interpret this correctly, it goes back to a term I use often: "self serving politicians".
Correct?
So if I interpret this correctly, it goes back to a term I use often: "self serving politicians".
Correct?
03-06-2004, 11:26 AM
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We are all SICK AND TIRED of getting it up the rear by the oil companys. Since Bush got in office it is much worse. Vote your wallet this year! I dont care who the Democratic contender is, Im voting AGAINST the Republicans. And I have voted Republican for almost 20 years.
We are losing an average of one American kid a day in Iraq. If you think Iraq is about terrorism and not oil......... You're crazy. "W" and the oil company's are raping this country. FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are losing an average of one American kid a day in Iraq. If you think Iraq is about terrorism and not oil......... You're crazy. "W" and the oil company's are raping this country. FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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