Have a customer that wants to put a 12V cummins in his 2000 F350 with ZF6

What all is needed to mate the ZF6 to the cummins and what harnesses will he need to make the motor work (not many if I remember right)

I think his biggest problem will be the throttle..

 

I would try advance adaptors.

Theis business is engine and drivetrain part swaps. They should be able to help more than anyone else.

And are you gonna post pics when you are done?

 

http://www.fordcummins.com/

I bet they can answer all of your questions...

 

fords going to put twins turbos on there 6.4 two really small ones ...to help blow all the loose parts out

 

12Vs don't have any electronics on them. Almost nothing to interface except the grid heater control, which you'll pretty much have to make up. No ECM on a 12V. Hit the fuel solenoid and turn the starter. The pump is controlled by a cable.

You'll need to put a solenoid cruise control on it. You can get those parts from a gasser Superduty.

Umm.... how do I say this politely.... some people appear to be selling adapter plates for Cummins to ZF6s that don't work properly. They have a number of bad dimensions which result in an improper fit. I had to build a custom adapter plate for my Cummins to ZF6 swap.

The first thing to check is the starter clearance. On the ISB type engines, there isn't enough clearance to mount the starter on the passenger side in the stock ZF6 bellhousing position. It might be OK with a 12V though.

I'm putting an 05 325/600 in my '99 Superduty with a ZF6. It should be running on the weekend.

 

Hi SuperDuty.. I talked to you on the phone a few weeks ago, remember?

Please send an email to my customer here: lpfd_778@removemefirstyahoo.com about the adapter plate.. thanks

 

Were you the guy I was talking to about the clutch stuff ? I've tried to keep this hush-hush, but now that I see it is going to work I am starting to talk a bit...

 

Yes, I am the guy you talked to about the clutch.

 

How much wiring is there to hook up to make the in-dash gauges function on the Ford?

 

"How much wiring is there to hook up to make the in-dash gauges function on the Ford?"

Very little. It is actually pretty straight forward. With the Common Rail engines, there are a couple ways to do it and with enough electronics and software you can actually get a LCD read out of oil pressure, RPM, fuel consumption, etc. This approach isn't for everyone though. I'm starting out simple and I'll add features as I go.

The tach and cruise control are the hardest, depending on your point of view.

 

Hey Superduty, I just approved your pics and was looking at how your engine install went. Looks very cool! So is it running now? Have you had any issues? I know you put a newer engine in the truck so I'm curious how you did the electronics?

 

What a sweet deal! Could be the best of both worlds.....size, comfort and power.

 

"Hey Superduty, I just approved your pics and was looking at how your engine install went. Looks very cool! So is it running now? Have you had any issues? I know you put a newer engine in the truck so I'm curious how you did the electronics?"

It runs great. I've only got about 600 miles on it, 400 of which were towing our 32' 5er.

No issues at all. No leaks, nothing broke, everything works nearly perfect. I've got a few things to "finish up" and tweak... I haven't connected the grid heaters, for example. The left engine mount is too high. That sort of thing.

I wanted to wait to post the pictures, but I got a bunch of PMs so I did. It will look nicer in a few months.

The engine is an 05 325/600. It had zero miles on it when I installed it.

Electronics... well that part is pretty involved. I don't have the tach and cruise working yet, but everything else is done and working including coolant temp, oil pressure, speedo, charging voltage, etc. I'll work on the tach and CC when I get a chance. I had to get the truck done for a trip, so it was a bit rushed.

I'm running a ZF6, btw.

I don't have mileage numbers yet.

I made the following comments on Diesel Stop. (Not trying to dis Dodge owners, just that people were asking so I spoke up... )

In the process of my conversion, I got to look at lots of Dodge and Ford parts side by side. More often than not, the Ford parts were heavier or better built.

Example: Ford motor mounts are about twice the size of the Dodge motor mount.

Example: The Ford clutch disk has a lot more area than the Dodge clutch disk.

Example: The ZF6 has an oil pump in it and is cooled by a cooling loop in the radiator.

Example: The Ford truck has a cooler on the hydroboost system.

Example: The Ford radiator is 800 in^2, whereas the Dodge radiator is 700 in^2.

The Cummins does have a 26" fan whereas the '99 Powerstroke uses a 23" fan.

I don't think Dodge trucks are really light or poor quality, but I couldn't bring myself to buy a Quad Cab truck because the cab was so much smaller than my '99 CC. I thought about holding out for a Mega Cab, but then Dodge replaced the NV5600 with the G56 and I said no way.

The engine compartment is larger on the Ford (due to having to fit a V10). The 05 Cummins fits really well in my '99 SD.

One more thing. The Cummins steams up the hills that used to tax my PSD. And it doesn't cackle either. The low end torque on the Cummins is awesome. Where the PSD used to rattle and power out, the Cummins just quietly pulls hard.

Surprisingly, the Cummins has better top end too. It makes 600 ftlbs from 1600 to 2900 RPM. The PSD made 500 ftlbs at 1600 RPM, but only 450 ftlbs at 2750. The Cummins is stronger everywhere, especially down low and up high.

 

wow thats a nice looking truck you got there

 

is the diameter of the clutch friction materal the same or larger??? that seems to make the difference as it gives better mechanical leverage [easier to turn a long handle than a short one]

different designed transmissions i guess...

i am pretty sure the 3rd gens have a cooler in the power steering system [that powers the hydraboost...]

looks very nice though... tons of room for that bhaf