Used cooking oil vs Biodiesel
Used cooking oil vs Biodiesel
Me and a buddy of mine are contemplating either setting up a biodiesel processor or running our vehicles on straight used cooking oil with an onboard filtering system.
How do our dodges hold up to the used cooking oil?
What are the pros and cons of each?
Thanks
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How do our dodges hold up to the used cooking oil?
What are the pros and cons of each?
Thanks
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surf around in the general forums and they have a great sub forum for this topic.
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...play.php?f=110
hope i did the link right.
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...play.php?f=110
hope i did the link right.
For about 2 years, 20,000 miles, so far, so good. BUT DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Look into whatever you choose VERY carefully. I always tell people that the romance of running veg is far different from the reality. It is not nearly as easy as a lot of people (vendors) make it out to be. You have to be a bit mentally deficient to do this, but don't worry, there are plenty of us out there to keep you company. There are a lot of dingbats out there selling junk, buyer beware! I ended up getting quite ripped off. Re-read my second sentence. FWIW, I have heard that the 3rd gen IP's do not like the veg nearly as much as the 2ed gens P7100's, but look into it yourself. My personal opnion about this is I consider the whole veg thing to be one big experiment. I have no idea if I am damaging my engine, long term, running this stuff or not. Just because the engine runs, does not mean it is OK. Sort of like you engine running on very dirty oil, it runs fine, but long term it is damaging. On the plus side, there are a bunch of people who have stacked up major miles on the stuff and are still running fine. You want to jump on the boat, welcome aboard, but know that you are entering a somewhat unknown territory. I am speaking for veg only, biodiesel is a different deal altogether. If you want, PM me, I will be glad to share any knowledge I have.
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I have a complete mill set up and run b-100 when the temps allow. I would have to agree with Baja......the same applies to biodiesel, although I would lean more towards "it's a good thing" IMPO
lots of info out there....my favourite is http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums
Very similar to this site, good reliable info and a dedicated section to vehicles
I have a complete mill set up and run b-100 when the temps allow. I would have to agree with Baja......the same applies to biodiesel, although I would lean more towards "it's a good thing" IMPO
lots of info out there....my favourite is http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/forums
Very similar to this site, good reliable info and a dedicated section to vehicles
I guess that I have been confusing. I very much think that "it's a good thing", even for the long run. If I thought otherwise, I would not be running it. Jumping on the WVO bandwagon is more than a lot of people make it out to be, so I tend to be cautious when they ask "I am thinking of doing this....."
i looked into both, and i chose bio because there are no mods to be done to the truck. the trucks will run fine on wvo, but u need a separate fuel tank, oil warmer of some type, valves, filters, ect,ect. [i saw this as lots of $$$ and time just to get it to work.] plus u still need to start & shut down the truck on dino or bio.as for wvo, keep this in mind, when rudolph diesel made the first engine it ran on peanut oil.
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In the latest TDR magazine, there a warning about running high concentrations of Biodiesel in the Cummins engine.
In the "Ranch Dressing" section there's a statement from the author John Holmes:
In the "Ranch Dressing" section there's a statement from the author John Holmes:
RE: Dependence on Petrolium
.... all of the manufacturers are holding at a recommendation of only 5% Biodiesel......
....I bring this up to point out that this isn't just a matter of pumping some of this new stuff into the tank and motoring down the road.
Be it Biodiesel or E85, the engine must be specifically designed to function with the fuel. We are working on a '04 Turbo Diesel right now that has been run on 100% Biodiesel. All of the injectors are trashed. The owner is upset to find out that he has no warranty. We showed him pictures of a tear-down on another Cummins that had been run for 20,000 miles on 100% vegetable oil. The engine was shot. One of the things that seems to happen is when some of the fuel bypasses the piston rings (normal) and gets into the crancase, it solidifies the engine oil.
.... all of the manufacturers are holding at a recommendation of only 5% Biodiesel......
....I bring this up to point out that this isn't just a matter of pumping some of this new stuff into the tank and motoring down the road.
Be it Biodiesel or E85, the engine must be specifically designed to function with the fuel. We are working on a '04 Turbo Diesel right now that has been run on 100% Biodiesel. All of the injectors are trashed. The owner is upset to find out that he has no warranty. We showed him pictures of a tear-down on another Cummins that had been run for 20,000 miles on 100% vegetable oil. The engine was shot. One of the things that seems to happen is when some of the fuel bypasses the piston rings (normal) and gets into the crancase, it solidifies the engine oil.
pretty interesting, I was leaning away from WVO due to the heavy modifications needed to run it, still debating, the guy who i will be doing it with is up in the air also, he will be buying a mercedes td shortly, so who knows, thanks for all the info,
How does the vp44 hold up to WVO, i heard it gets cooked pretty easy on it.
How does the vp44 hold up to WVO, i heard it gets cooked pretty easy on it.
little known fact, if u run bio made at home cummins wont warranty it, but if u run commercially available bio [from gas station] they will warranty it-If it meets astm-d-6751 so keep your gas receipts. also, fellow bio home brewers,astm d-6751 is obtainable if you 'wash' the mix thoroughly enough. BUT if the ctd dose let go proving that the fuel meets the specs is hard to do -$$$
Don't believe all you hear...i've been running Biodiesel {homemade from a local small timer} and/or straight SVO soybean for over a year now...no problems or clogged fuel filters.I would be careful on a 24 valve though,those vp-44's a re touchy
Looks like this article is referring to common rail engines. There are many 2nd gens with hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles with higher concentrations of BD.
Just so everyone knows, you could take a dump in a 12v and it would run with no problem.
The information that is important for the CR (which we don't have yet) is if it's just the injectors or if other damage occurs. Putting injectors with a larger diameter could be factored into the SVO conversion (or bio) but if it gums up the rods or the oil system like someone alluded to, that's not acceptable. Of course, the only way were going to find out is if someone with 3rd gen steps up and takes the plunge in a scientific experiment. I am taking contributions for the cause.
The information that is important for the CR (which we don't have yet) is if it's just the injectors or if other damage occurs. Putting injectors with a larger diameter could be factored into the SVO conversion (or bio) but if it gums up the rods or the oil system like someone alluded to, that's not acceptable. Of course, the only way were going to find out is if someone with 3rd gen steps up and takes the plunge in a scientific experiment. I am taking contributions for the cause.


