i have seriously thinkin of converting my 90 1st Gen to WVO!
I have read through alot of WVO forums and looked at all the diffrent kits that are available. I understand how it works, and whats needed for a basic kit.

My question is, does any one run there 1st gen on WVO?

How dose the VE pump hold up?

and are there any precautions i need to look out for?

I want to hear first hand from 1st gen guys runnin WVO! From the horses mouth per say!

Thanks, Bob

 

This is not first hand, but these are the problems I have read about.

Veggie oil will turn the diaphragm in the stock lift pump into mush. The other problem people have run into is veggie oil leaking into the AFC housing on the pump.

The lift pump is easy, replace that with a piston style pump (part #'s in the 1st gen FAQ). From what I've read about the problems on the injection pump, it seems like a little bit of veggie oil seeps past the fuel pin into the housing, where it congeals and turns into brown goo that gums up the works. Doesn't kill the pump, it just means you need to take the top off the AFC and clean it out from time to time.

 

thanks Dave,

your information is always helpfule. i had heard about the stock lift pump, but not the IP.
I plan on running a seperate pump and filters with heated lins for the WVO, and adding the selector valve just before the IP.so that the only part of the diesel system being used while running WVO will be the IP, injector lines, and injectors!
i need to figure out once i make the switch how to kill the lift pump. i think all the kits out there are tapping into they system before the lift pump. i maybe rong on this. just reading from there websites i cant be forshure.

now i just need to hear from guys that are running WVO to get the Pros and Cons of it use on a first gen!

 

Wow, I've never heard about that before...


Wonder why that would happen... Either the increased pressure caused by the veggie causes a leak, or maybe the veggie eats around the wear on the older pumps?

 

That's a good way to do it. You want the filter for the WVO to be cheap and easy to change, since it gets clogged a lot.

I would set the plumbing up so that the LP just dumps back into the tank via the return line.

I really think that making biodiesel is a less troublesome way to use WVO. There's a lot less stuff to go wrong on the vehicle since it's all stock. If you have a lousy batch of oil it just plugs up your BD plant instead of leaving you stranded on a rainy night.

 

thanks Dave,

ya thats a good idea on the return line for the lift pump.

i have thought about the Bio diesel route. when it comes down to it its still costing you money to produce it!
the WVO wont cost anything once your up and running. yes i know there are the pit falls of running, and it would be easy to just go the bio rought compared to WVO. but if done right there are no proplems. you have to make sure your oil is pre filtered before going into your hot tank ( secound tank ).
you need to make sure that you have it at least above 160 F. you need a a ccouple more filters ( heated ) and a water seperator. run a set of seperat lines ( heated ) and keep it in its own system untill the IP. and of course make sure you switch it back to diesel for a couple mins before shut down.

with all that done i have not heard of or read of any problems. most all the problems come from people trying to take short cuts. or not running a hot tank and so on.
but, like our 1st gen lift pumps not working with WVO each diffrent make and models have somthing that wont work with WVO. .LP, IP's, fuel filters exct.

and thats where i am at right now. i want to know first hand from a 1st gen owner who has been running WVO if his IP has held up, and how his, or hers system is set up and functioning!

Thanks. bob

and dave, you really have the wheels aturnin on the return set up for the lift pump, thanks agian

 

so,

is there any one out there that is running WVO in a 1st Gen??

 

i geuss theres no one who owns a 1st gen, thats running WVO on here!

 

I have been using the formula from www.deiselsecrets.com their formula does not require any modification to yor vehicle at all. No problems except for the hunger pains from the exhaust that smells like french fries.

 

Be glad to help you, but I have a 2ed gen on WVO!

 

I have a 96 Cummins on WVO. Have you checked these WVO forums?
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb....51&f=159605551
For 7 pages of info on DSE look here;
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/groupee/...131#8351089131
This is the first time I have heard that the WVO causes lift pump problems in the mechanical lift pumps. The electric lift pumps will not handle the WVO unless it is heated. However heated WVO overheats the LP, not good. Because of all that being said, using a second lift pump is the only way to go. (IMHO of course.)
I have not heard of any problems with the VP pump as long as the WVO is de-watered. (Easy to do) Also, NEVER RUN COLD WVO , IT MUST BE HEATED!! This is one of the dangers in using DSE.
Hope this helps ... Ken Gardner

 

I've thought about converting my 1st gen, but I'm a little turned off by all the hype about shortened engine life. I've had several friends who have done conversions with success... one on a d250, one on an '92 Isuzu NPR. I also knew someone who ruined his truck doing a conversion (1995 Chevy suburban... a POS anyway, I think). It seems like a 1st gen would be best suited for croversion, being a simpler engine. I'm running bio now, which really seems to be doing the engine right (quieter idle, less smoke). I'm interested to hear how yours turns out. I also want to hear some real reviews of the other options--- Diesel Secret, and Kugels blend. Those seem to be the simplest way out of the fuel trap. Anyway, keep us posted, maybe we could collaborate on some of this stuff.
Mike

 

I wonder what the cost of the filters and other incidentals needed for WVO would compare to the methanol, lye etc... needed to make bio. If you're getting the WVO for free (as in beer) then why not go the extra way and make bio out of it? I understand that you don't get as much bio compared to using SVO but you have less worries about what's goi9ng on in your engine. A set of coked injectors or stuck rings would make the extra effort to make the bio look cheap.

Of course, the coking problem is complete rumor to me and I have heard absolutely NO first hand accounts of this happening.

Regards

Edwin

 

How easy is to prepare the mixture..?? Will this totally replace the Diesel in the tank...???

Can you disclose the other components....??

 

Hi,

Wondering if anybody is using the diesel secret formula and running it in their truck or possibly in any farm tractors. I have a throw away diesel I got for $100 that I am going to try this on first. Any information would be helpful.

Thanks,

Brian