fuel filter failure
11-16-2011, 08:39 PM
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You will have to change the OEM filter with that setup when you change the other filters thou as filters still need replaced even if not clogged.
You know, I never expected this thread to take wing the way it has. I have learned and lot and really appreciate the way everyone has jumped in. Thanks,
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11-16-2011, 08:47 PM
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Everything deteriorates over time.
By staged filtering I mean 20 into 5 into 2, vs 20 into 2 into 5.
You also put both f/w seps first, where they should be.
By staged filtering I mean 20 into 5 into 2, vs 20 into 2 into 5.
You also put both f/w seps first, where they should be.
11-17-2011, 04:04 AM
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Spooler sent me that info on filtering. Gonna read it today at work if I get a chance. Anxious to see what it has to say.
11-17-2011, 07:36 AM
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Hello,
I've been a lurker for a while but this is my 1st post and I'm looking for insight into this problem.
My son's 2008 3500 (~130000 miles) just sustained injector and other damage when a fuel filter replacement collapsed letting crap get by into the injectors and elsewhere. This replacement fuel filter (spin on type) was suggested by the dealer and my son ok'd it. The filter was clogged (and subsequently collapsed) by bad fuel (algae according to the dealer) from a very recent fill up.
Has anybody seen something like this. I can't believe that a filter can would collapse when clogged. Of course the dealer is blaming my son for not changing the filter often enough ... which may be true ... but should a filter fail catastrophically like that? I blame the dealer for using an inappropriate part. Am I wrong?
He's looking at roughly $6k repair bills. Thanks for any insight into this.
Peyton
I've been a lurker for a while but this is my 1st post and I'm looking for insight into this problem.
My son's 2008 3500 (~130000 miles) just sustained injector and other damage when a fuel filter replacement collapsed letting crap get by into the injectors and elsewhere. This replacement fuel filter (spin on type) was suggested by the dealer and my son ok'd it. The filter was clogged (and subsequently collapsed) by bad fuel (algae according to the dealer) from a very recent fill up.
Has anybody seen something like this. I can't believe that a filter can would collapse when clogged. Of course the dealer is blaming my son for not changing the filter often enough ... which may be true ... but should a filter fail catastrophically like that? I blame the dealer for using an inappropriate part. Am I wrong?
He's looking at roughly $6k repair bills. Thanks for any insight into this.
Peyton
Which is it? I'm getting the impression that the factory canister-style filter was replaced ("upgraded") with a non-Chrysler spin-on filter by a dealer. Then, this spin-on filter collapsed.
Is this correct? Please clear up my confusion.
11-17-2011, 05:53 PM
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I took the above statement to say that an "upgraded" SPIN-ON filter was used.
I take this statement to say that a canister-style filter was used.
Which is it? I'm getting the impression that the factory canister-style filter was replaced ("upgraded") with a non-Chrysler spin-on filter by a dealer. Then, this spin-on filter collapsed.
Is this correct? Please clear up my confusion.
I take this statement to say that a canister-style filter was used.
Which is it? I'm getting the impression that the factory canister-style filter was replaced ("upgraded") with a non-Chrysler spin-on filter by a dealer. Then, this spin-on filter collapsed.
Is this correct? Please clear up my confusion.
Sorry for the confusion,
Peyton
11-17-2011, 07:39 PM
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The early 6.7's had a spin casing with a cartridge filter, and that was replaced with an upgraded filter like the 3rd gen 5.9.. I can see how it could get confused in dealer speak.
11-17-2011, 07:48 PM
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The 4th gens saw a redesign to the top loading cartridge filter similar to the 5.9 set up.
11-17-2011, 07:52 PM
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11-17-2011, 08:05 PM
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Whomever designed the FF setup on the 3rd gen 6.7 Id love to take him to a nice steak dinner and then when he is least expecting it kick him as hard as possible in the....
Well anyway.
The 4th gen setup is a breezed. Less than 5 mins I can have my filter out and a new on in.
Well anyway.
The 4th gen setup is a breezed. Less than 5 mins I can have my filter out and a new on in.
11-17-2011, 09:35 PM
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Since you guys have read, here is my take on multistage filtering.
If you install an Airdog filter setup or the like that is actually your Primary filtration system. You will want to filter in this order. Bulk (Mud) filter. Water seperation filter, and then your polishing filter (2um). After the primary filter system you will go to the factory on motor filter (Last chance filter). This is your safety net. You should have polished fuel before you get to this filter. The size of your filters is determined in how much fuel you use each year. Oversizing is O.K. You want to be able to make it through at least one tank of bad fuel with no issues. That means nothing getting to your last chance filter.
Unfortunetly, using an Airdog filter setup like I do leaves alot to be desired because it goes straight from a Mud filter to a 2um polishing filter. Does it work OK, yes. Is it perfect, No. I wish I had a 10 micron media water seperator filter between my bulk filter and 2um filter. So it would be a 30um to 10um to 2um. Then from here to my Last chance filter with extremely polished fuel. The last chance filter also serves as a way to inspect how my primary filtering system is doing when replacing. Clean, no water, all is well. Do I see a need to run a 30um to a 20um to a 10um to a 5um to a 2um, No. Kind of a waste for our vehicles. All this is just my opinion on what I have learned. Can you go more extreme, sure. Is either way wrong, No.
If you install an Airdog filter setup or the like that is actually your Primary filtration system. You will want to filter in this order. Bulk (Mud) filter. Water seperation filter, and then your polishing filter (2um). After the primary filter system you will go to the factory on motor filter (Last chance filter). This is your safety net. You should have polished fuel before you get to this filter. The size of your filters is determined in how much fuel you use each year. Oversizing is O.K. You want to be able to make it through at least one tank of bad fuel with no issues. That means nothing getting to your last chance filter.
Unfortunetly, using an Airdog filter setup like I do leaves alot to be desired because it goes straight from a Mud filter to a 2um polishing filter. Does it work OK, yes. Is it perfect, No. I wish I had a 10 micron media water seperator filter between my bulk filter and 2um filter. So it would be a 30um to 10um to 2um. Then from here to my Last chance filter with extremely polished fuel. The last chance filter also serves as a way to inspect how my primary filtering system is doing when replacing. Clean, no water, all is well. Do I see a need to run a 30um to a 20um to a 10um to a 5um to a 2um, No. Kind of a waste for our vehicles. All this is just my opinion on what I have learned. Can you go more extreme, sure. Is either way wrong, No.
11-18-2011, 04:00 AM
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Spooler I touched on that document you sent me. Got about two pages into it then we got real busy at work. Welders wanting to weld, go figure.
Im gonna post it up in this thread too, soon as I can figure out why my DTR mail is on the fritz this morning.
Im gonna post it up in this thread too, soon as I can figure out why my DTR mail is on the fritz this morning.
11-18-2011, 12:03 PM
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Since you guys have read, here is my take on multistage filtering.
If you install an Airdog filter setup or the like that is actually your Primary filtration system. You will want to filter in this order. Bulk (Mud) filter. Water seperation filter, and then your polishing filter (2um). After the primary filter system you will go to the factory on motor filter (Last chance filter). This is your safety net. You should have polished fuel before you get to this filter. The size of your filters is determined in how much fuel you use each year. Oversizing is O.K. You want to be able to make it through at least one tank of bad fuel with no issues. That means nothing getting to your last chance filter.
Unfortunetly, using an Airdog filter setup like I do leaves alot to be desired because it goes straight from a Mud filter to a 2um polishing filter. Does it work OK, yes. Is it perfect, No. I wish I had a 10 micron media water seperator filter between my bulk filter and 2um filter. So it would be a 30um to 10um to 2um. Then from here to my Last chance filter with extremely polished fuel. The last chance filter also serves as a way to inspect how my primary filtering system is doing when replacing. Clean, no water, all is well. Do I see a need to run a 30um to a 20um to a 10um to a 5um to a 2um, No. Kind of a waste for our vehicles. All this is just my opinion on what I have learned. Can you go more extreme, sure. Is either way wrong, No.
If you install an Airdog filter setup or the like that is actually your Primary filtration system. You will want to filter in this order. Bulk (Mud) filter. Water seperation filter, and then your polishing filter (2um). After the primary filter system you will go to the factory on motor filter (Last chance filter). This is your safety net. You should have polished fuel before you get to this filter. The size of your filters is determined in how much fuel you use each year. Oversizing is O.K. You want to be able to make it through at least one tank of bad fuel with no issues. That means nothing getting to your last chance filter.
Unfortunetly, using an Airdog filter setup like I do leaves alot to be desired because it goes straight from a Mud filter to a 2um polishing filter. Does it work OK, yes. Is it perfect, No. I wish I had a 10 micron media water seperator filter between my bulk filter and 2um filter. So it would be a 30um to 10um to 2um. Then from here to my Last chance filter with extremely polished fuel. The last chance filter also serves as a way to inspect how my primary filtering system is doing when replacing. Clean, no water, all is well. Do I see a need to run a 30um to a 20um to a 10um to a 5um to a 2um, No. Kind of a waste for our vehicles. All this is just my opinion on what I have learned. Can you go more extreme, sure. Is either way wrong, No.
lift pump-->ff5013-->fs1000/fs19596-->2u filter ------>last chance filter
I also think it might be a good idea to use the fs19569, rather than the fs1000, and connect the wif sensor inline with the last-chance filter's wif sensor. You might also monitor filter loading with a vacuum gauge in the circuit ... maybe between the 2u filter and the last-chance filter.
Peyton
Last edited by peyton; 11-18-2011 at 03:53 PM. Reason: reposition vacuum gauge
11-18-2011, 08:24 PM
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I know that Fleetguard is Cummins and one would assume that their filters are the best for their engines. But is that necessarily true? How do Wix filters, for example, compare to Fleetguard with regard to filtration and quality? or Baldwin? Wix are considerably less expensive but maybe for a reason. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks,
Peyton
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