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Old 04-23-2008, 09:49 AM
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RV's are exempt including race trailers and some states RV use includes boat trailers. In most states the DOT's are not interested in non-commercial over 10,000 use. Farmers are also exempt within 150 miles of any farm land they farm. Many states exempt farmers from most DOT laws. In KY they don't require tags or inspections on trailers as long as you stay in state. In Va. farm use is the golden pass to almost anything you can pull down a highway as long as all the pieces stay together and you don't have an accident.
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Hate to say it but if you need 4X4 then a F-550 Ford would be about the best. With the extra payload package you can get a GVW of 19,000 and a GCVW of 33,000, that is the highest out of any of them. A Chevy 5500 4X4 can go up to 19,500 GVW but only a 26,000 GCVW same as Dodge and Sterling. That is my biggest complaint with Dodge is a GCVW of only 26,000 is nothing. Also having a GCVW of over 26,000 doesn't mean you need a CDL, if your trailer is rated over 10,000 then you need a CDL regarless. I feel they keep it low to help from having all the problems Ford has with rating a truck in this category so high.
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The GCVW on the 4500 and 5500 Rams are just technicalities, they will easily pull far more weight than that all day long.
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I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins
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Originally Posted by cminzey
I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins
Right...... That's why Dodge has the best selling C&C trucks on the market right now? They have out sold the Ford C&C for two months now by 100-142 trucks.
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say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY
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Originally Posted by cminzey
say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY
I have looked but I go by who has the highest selling number to tell me what people think about the C&C.
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the requirements vary from state to state. I reside in two states, New Mexico and California. A 14,000lb trailer in new mexico, texas, arizoa with a combined weight under 26,200 lbs is totally legal.

in California it is illegal to pull a commercial trailer (if you put a tool in it it is commercial) utility, dump, equipment haulers etc requires a class A license. not a class B unless it is agriculture.
i am stuck in california with my track loader and dump trailer because unknowingly i pulled them from NM to CA and i don't have a class A license.
check with the motor vehicle departments in the states you travel in.
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Originally Posted by BIGBEN2004
Hate to say it but if you need 4X4 then a F-550 Ford would be about the best. With the extra payload package you can get a GVW of 19,000 and a GCVW of 33,000, that is the highest out of any of them. A Chevy 5500 4X4 can go up to 19,500 GVW but only a 26,000 GCVW same as Dodge and Sterling. That is my biggest complaint with Dodge is a GCVW of only 26,000 is nothing. Also having a GCVW of over 26,000 doesn't mean you need a CDL, if your trailer is rated over 10,000 then you need a CDL regarless. I feel they keep it low to help from having all the problems Ford has with rating a truck in this category so high.
It is a disapointment to me on the GCVW of only 26,000 on the Dodge when you know darn well the Dodge will outpull the Higher rated Ford.

My next truck will be a 4500 C&C anyways despite the lower ratings, just waiting for the new bodystyle to come out.
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Originally Posted by cminzey
I am a true dodge man but Ford has the better trucks in the 450 and 550 range the 450 has 33,000 gcwr,24,500 5th wheel towing,16,000 convenentional towing,14,500 gvwr, 6,120 payload. dodge doesn't get close also you can go to a 650 and get it with a cummins
Like stated in many posts. Dodge kept it low for CDL reasons. My old 94 Dually 10,500 towed a 3 car trailer 15k all day long with out an issue. I hardley doubt a new truck with bigger brakes, More power, and Better tires cant easily handle 33k. My old Dodge was at 225Hp at best with 3.54 rear end. No way you can make me believe that 305HP 600tq 4.10 rear end or better cant tow more than 26k GCVWR

Oh and I think this set up on a Sterling is bit more than 26k by quite a bit
http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/d...FE4578364711B3
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Need a heavier duty truck

IF your trialer weight is over 10,000 lbs you have to have a class 1 lisence.Check with the DOt on what your vehicle weight is when you go to a class 3. You might find it easier just getting in and out of some of the places with a smaller tractor trailer unit then a with one that will carry all of what you need for a job even a secand trailer for the job might be easier and cheaper to insure?. One or two of your crew then would need to have a class 1 licence for that kind of weight? Maybe even a larger class 3 truck that will do what you need?
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You could pick up a nice used U-Haul and pull the box off.
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Originally Posted by Bigdogbandal
You need a class a cdl for any trailer over 10,000 lbs. For pulling that kind of weight get a dodge with a jake. Your other options for a 4x4 are to go to an international or a unimog but those are both in the six figure range.
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You need a Class A CDL if you're pulling 10,000 lbs. with a vehicle that has a GCVWR greater than 26,000 lbs. That's the reason Dodge rated the 4500/5500 with a 26,000 GCVWR. Saves people from needing to get a special license.
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It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.

You Guys are wrong. under 26k it doesnt matter what the trailer rating is. As long as the truck and trailer tags have GVWR totaling under 26k, I pulled at 48ft Appalachian with my 3500 and came in at 25,500. Also the GCVWR means nothing. And has nothing to do with laws. its an insurance rating thing. A truck with 19k GWVR can tow more than 7k.

Ok and before all you know it all non CDl guys chime in about the 10k which pertains Class B trucks. and really nothing else. hence a 33k truck can tow up to 10k trailer after that its an CDL A.

So if I borrow my buddies Explorer and use this trailer http://www.trailersforless.com/pj_6_...carhauler.html with a 10,400 GVWR I can get my CDL A with air brake restriction? Even though I am at probably at 18k GVCWR.

Dont listen to anyone that tells you that 10k law needs a CDL A. Learn the laws.
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Originally Posted by cminzey
say what you will when it comes to the Ford 450 or 550 but dodge doesn't have the payload look at there specs DUMMY
What good is payload when the truck is in the shop half the time ? Only a dummy would buy a Powerchoke .
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Originally Posted by wiskeyVI
You could pick up a nice used U-Haul and pull the box off.
Nice U-Haul is an oxymoron . Those trucks are beat to death and poorly maintained .


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