spooling

The family masonry business needs a new truck, my truck towing a 25ft tandem dually gooseneck just isn't enough. We need a truck with a payload of around 15,000lb after flat deck is put on.

Ideally this truck could haul about 6 pallets of stone, with our current gooseneck, each pallet averages 4500lbs. We need something thats 4x4 and a truck that you don't need a special class lisence to drive. What do you guys recommend, doesn't have to be a dodge.

Valv

4500 x 6 - 27,000 lbs , you DO need a CDL

Bigdogbandal

You need a class a cdl for any trailer over 10,000 lbs. For pulling that kind of weight get a dodge with a jake. Your other options for a 4x4 are to go to an international or a unimog but those are both in the six figure range.

Machinos

I think the over-10k trailer rule might not apply if you're using a "tractor-trailer" setup, but I'm not sure.

If not needing a special license is a major requirement you might be better off getting a straight truck rated at just under 26k. You still won't be able to haul nearly as much as you want at one time, though... like 3 pallets at the most (due entirely to GVW laws).

spooling

what about the top kick 5500 series?

D384D

You need a Class A CDL if you're pulling 10,000 lbs. with a vehicle that has a GCVWR greater than 26,000 lbs. That's the reason Dodge rated the 4500/5500 with a 26,000 GCVWR. Saves people from needing to get a special license.

D384D

Based on your estimates of cargo weight, you're gonna need a truck considerably larger than a Ram 5500. 27K worth of stone? That doesn't even include the weight of the trailer. Even a TopKick (not much higher ratings) would work extremely hard pulling that much weight. But it is your call. let us know what you do!!

jkitterman

You need to step up to a much larger truck and give up 4x4. You would be pushing at least 40,000 lbs with 27k of stone, the truck and trailer. In the US, you are talking class A CDL. Just a truck with a 15k payload would be big.

Dieselnick

Check out this place http://www.marmon-herrington.com/ They've been converting MD trucks to 4WD for decades.

Nick

Bigdogbandal

It doesn't matter what your gcvwr is you still need a cdl A to pull a trailer over 10,000lbs unless it is an RV. Most times the DOT will overlook it but they can ticket you and it is a huge fine... up to ten thousand dollars and jail time.

NDanecker

I have never heard this one before. I've heard time and time again that 26,000+ lbs require CDL, but not a trailer over 10k lbs. Not saying its not true...just haven't heard anyone stating this before.

SpinEmNSmokeEm

I believe it does matter that if your gcvwr is over 26,001 pounds that you have to have a CDL, I am not sure about the trailer part being 10,000 that it has to be class A but if you are over 26,001 and pulling a trailer then it has to be a class A.
Need to askGMScott on the 6.7 forum he hotshots and would probably know the rules good enough even thogh he has a 1 Ton.

Dieselnick

The rules in OR and CA are:
Operating a truck with a GVW over 26K you need a Class B or A
If that truck is towing more than 10K you need an A
For trucks 26K GVW or under you can tow a trailer up to 26K as long as you are under your registered GVW on all of you axles (truck and trailer) when you go over the scales. DOT does not consider GCVW's; not around here anyway.

Nick

D384D

I haven't heard that either. The most recent Class A CDL manual states that you need a Class A if you're pulling more than 10K lbs. with a vehicle rated at more than 26K GCVWR. Other wise you'd need a CDL to pull 11,000 lbs. with your F-250!!

D384D

I'm in Mass, so it could be a little different, but if you're traveling interstate, I would think there would be a consistency regarding GCVWRs and GVWRs. Can't imagine it being different in each state!!