jwatso8

Does anyone know the GCWR for all three C&C (3500,4500,5500) thanks

jwatso8

i found out that the 4500 and 5500 are 26000 GCWR. does anyone know about the 3500?

Yeti41

The 3500's GCWR is 26000 but only with 4.1 rear end and regular cab DRW. The crew cab or SRW is still a respectable 24000.

mrod67

so you are saying the gross combined weight rating for truck and trailer is 26K? If I have a 5500 dump loaded at 19.5K, I can only pull a 6500# trailer? Seems awfully low. I believe with the f-550, a package is available to uprate to 35K gcwr. This is one of the things that concerns me about building a wrecker, the truck empty will weigh like 12-13K, allowing me to only haul a 13-14K truck.

dieselfreak21

I'm not a 100% but if they rate it over 26K it has to have air breaks or forces the driver to have a CDL when not needed in some cases. Also it affects insurance rates as well. I remember reading something about in Missouri statues at one time or another and I think Fed DOT had something on it as well.

I Stand Alone

dieselfreak21,

NO they do not need air brakes. I run a lot of truck and it is very confusing.The following is for COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ONLY. That is they are involved in commerce.

With a regular drivers license you can:

Drive upto 26000lbs. That is either straight truck rating OR the combination of the truck and trailer.

You can only haul a trailer under 10,000lbs unless the GCWR (the truck GWR and the trailer gwr) is under 26,000lbs

The following is from the NYS DMV site

A driver with a Class D license can now operate a passenger vehicle, a limited use automobile, or:

* A truck with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less. (Before, a Class D driver could only operate a vehicle with a GVWR of 18,000 lbs. or less.), and
* A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle, and the other vehicle has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less, and
* A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs., but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less.

A driver with a Class D license can now operate a personal use vehicle (for example a rental vehicle or a recreational vehicle or RV) with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less that tows another vehicle that has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or more, but the gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of the two vehicles together must be 26,000 lbs. or less.

RickG

Have you ever seen an F-550 with air brakes ?

Spudder

Technically you can drive up to a 36,000 pound combination if the truck is 26k GVWR and the trailer is 10k GVWR.


The "GCWR" that the OP is asking about has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with when a CDL is required.

I Stand Alone

PLEASE READ THE LAST SENTENCE IN MY POST!

You can not!!! drive 36000 lbs with out a CDL! Take the truck gvwr add it to the trailer gvwr if it is above 26,000 you can not drive it legally period!

I quit some people never get it!

Spudder

Au contraire.

You can according to New York.

http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/ncdlc.htm

You posted this yourself.


And according to the FMCSA.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...3.5&guidence=Y

So true.

ptm600

A CDL is required any time the weight rating or registration is over 26,000. That is for either single vehicle or combination. Meaning that even if the registration is for less than 26,000, but the either or both GVW ratings add up to more than 26,000 a CDL is required. I know this first hand. If you don't believe us pull into a weigh station with somthing over 26,000 without a CDL. You won't be allowed to move it. Someone with a CDL will have to move it for you. This is a federal law.

Spudder

I just quoted the federal law and that is not the case.

So what class of CDL would my F550 @ 19,500 GVWR towing a 7000 GVWR trailer require.

Here are the class of CDL in PA:

Commercial Driver's Licenses - Classes A, B or C

• CLASS A (minimum age 18): A Class A license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class A license is qualified to operate vehicles for which a Class B or Class C license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
• CLASS B (minimum age 18): A Class B license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more or any such vehicle towing a vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class B license is qualified to operate vehicles for which a Class C license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
• CLASS C (minimum age 18): A Class C license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than 26,000 pounds or any combination of vehicles, except combination vehicles involving motorcycles, that does not meet the definition of a Class A or Class B vehicle. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.

csramsey640

In your above post, you do not need a CDL, because in PA, you do not need to register it as a combination vehicle. By law, if the trailer is registered over 14000lbs, the weight class sticker on the truck must be high enough to cover both the truck and trailer, then a seperate registration on the trailer. Since your trailer is 7000lbs. you are not looked at as a combo vehicle, unless you load it down and get caught over weight. I went through a long process of this a few years ago and found out the hard way by getting fined for pulling my 21000# Registered GN trailer.

The 26000 rule is first. Once you meet that, if your trailer is over 10000 lbs you need a class A cdl. Under 10000 lbs, your in class B. If your total Vehicle weight is not over 26000 you dont need either.

It has nothing to do soley with how its registered, you can be registered at 25,900, and if you are scaled over 26000, commercially your getting a fine.

Im from PA, and have a CDL Class A. Hauled both commercially with a gooseneck and recreational.

Spudder

Only if the truck is over 26k. IF the trailer is 10k or under the CGVWR could be any where between 26k to 36k and not need a CDL at all.

cbrahs

actually I worked on one 2 months ago. 2006 F550, 5.9 cummins and had air brakes. is a service truck for a local construction company. came from the factory this way and they bought it new off the showroom floor.