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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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Bio diesel question

I found a place nearby that sells B11 and I was wonering what is the max pecentage I can use in my '07 with the 5.9 and not worry about warranty issues. I think I remember reading that Dodge has ok'd up to 20 percent if so I can run the B11 straight right?

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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Yes. They recently approved up to 20% [effective with the 2007 model year].

Here's a PDF with all the details.
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Am I reading this right? government,military and fleet trucks only.That leaves us out correct?
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 08:46 PM
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If your worried about warranty , then get it in writing from the dealer that you would go to for that work .
Even the dealers will have some variation on this , and maybe be under what ever % you were running when a issue comes up .
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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Good idea, I just don't understand why this whole issue isn't more clear cut.
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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There is a lot of issues here , so many terms , many think they all mean the same , there are about 90 processing plants in the US , with about 100 in the works , these are private , maybe mostly farmer based , many doing it as a new buis. , so a lot of variation in quality , then you through in all the home brewers , the waste oil guys that are not processing [ taking the glycerins out ] this almost an endless list of alt.s , so think about it as if those eng. out there you built , how responsible would you want to be ?
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Good point, I guess thats why dodge is only giving the ok onfleet vehicles because they don't carry the 100,000 mile warranty.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:45 AM
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I think I remember reading on the Cummins site that you need added water separation protection if you are going to use B20.
Maybe something fleet and mlitary do?

This is from the Cummins site...

Is B20 approved for the Dodge Ram Turbo Diesel?

For Cummins engines in Dodge Ram trucks, biodiesel fuel can be blended with an acceptable diesel fuel up to a 20 percent volume concentration (B20) for municipal, government and commercial fleets only. This applies to selected model year vehicles. Please consult DaimlerChrysler for specific requirements and approved vehicle models.





I just pulled this from the Cummins site...
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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The whole funny part is that some people are getting the tanks checked and getting fines for running Bio,since they do not pay tax on it they fine you the same as running #2 ,go figure.

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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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I currently run B100 mixed with #2diesel to give a % of 20-30%. I am not worried about the dealership dipping my tank. I have nothing but good results with running bio. Just make sure that it is ATSM approved!!!
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pav1973
The whole funny part is that some people are getting the tanks checked and getting fines for running Bio,since they do not pay tax on it they fine you the same as running #2 ,go figure.

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I haven't heard of that but I know they dip for using red fuel What state are they checking for bio?
I have been running b99 for quite a while, although I do pay the tax. I don't make my own ------yet
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 05:58 AM
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I belive it was CA,I read about it in DTR here,someone had a link up a few weeks ago about it,the home made stuff.

I have heard CA,VA, pulls diesel pick-ups over,I do know OH does it,guy around here got pulled in OH and got nailed for #2.

If I remember right it was a 2 grand fine he got in OH then PA got him for 2 and the Fed for 2 grand.


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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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Many states are getting dipped , here in MN , I know folks that go to many of the farmer shows/fairs - thrashing shows , and it seems that the cops are hanging around anywhere there are a lot of farmer/ranchers , [ I think that is all kinds of wrong ] , but as far as getting busted for untaxed fuel , there are a bunch of dealers selling all levels of bio , the state has a law that it starts at 2% , its not too hard to find 100% , it would seem to me if a dipsheep/dipper wants to hassle for bio , I would say that you should talk to the [ retailer ] ??? that I filled at , I do not know if they charged/paid tax , but I think that I payed too much for fuel , tax or no tax .
They are taking a large unconstitutional leap , [ assuming your guilty ] incessant until proven guilty .
How many keep a receipt , except those driving for a living , just buy some at retail , through the receipt in glove box and say you do not save them all .
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Old Sep 22, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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If I have bio in my tank and get it dipped, How can they tell if it is taxed or home brewed?
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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they can't,unless for some reason the bio maker poured red dye in his fuel.all their dipping for is red dye, they can't tell undyed #2 from bio without sending it to a lab.
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