Just a notification that I've updated the fueling box comparative matrix and sent it out via email to the list. I have more complete information on the volumizer and a better (in my opinion) way of interpreting low end numbers. pm me with your email address and I'll add you to the list. I had dyno graphs from TS but they didn't come through very well in the fax so I couldn't read them. I'll update as more information comes in (I dont yet have dyno graphs from Edge, BullyDog, Quad, VA...)

pm me with your email address and I'll add you to the dist list

 

How about adding in $$$$ to your list? I think you should consider changing your name to "InfoMan" as well....LOL

 

pricing is so volitile that I'd be updating the list more often than I am now I really want to scope this effort to being as accurate as possible about the boxes themselves and how they perform in a 305 HP engine

 

I'm missing somthing here, 500 ft. lbs. of ADDITIONAL torque from the TST box???
There has GOT to be some kinda HORRIBLE drawback to that!!! anybody got details??? Seems like if you really did dump a THOUSAND ft. pounds of torque on the driveline you'd be paying a heck of price there to.

 

Well, the numbers are real. not used of course unless you turn the box up to level 9x9 and mash the pedal. this is the maximum capability of the box.

1000 ft. lbs of torque is double, yes, with a 6-speed and a new clutch. the point of the box is that you get 9 levels of torque plus 9 levels of HP -- 81 possible combinations. dial up what ever power enhancement you are comfortable with.

The whole issue with power enhacments is that you agree to erode some of the design margin of a stock truck. So run it on a lower setting most of the time and then dial up holy smokes power once or twice, whatever.

There are guys with boxes and injectors making more power than that, BTW. none of them have busted the 6-speed transmission that I know of. all of them have to replace the clutch, but thats it (for the drivetrain). autos are a different story. and if you're making that much power you really do need to understand the airflow requirements -- you'll never be able to use that much HP in a towing situation unless you have serious air.

 

The research you did is OUTSTANDING! It would bug me half to death knowing I could push a button and have that much power (like anybody I'd want it all the time!!!) I'm really suprised at Banks, there a big company that got that way because a reputation of great quality and reliability of there parts, yet they are pushing a box on us (I called them about some info. on the box and now they call me back, send me e-mail, and snail mail EVERY DAY since trying to push the box on me!) that will probably turn our trucks into an injector destroying pain in the butt! can anyone say duramax???

 

Well, part of being brutally honest (as I have tried to be with the box summary) is, well, giving credit where credit is due. In my opinion Banks gets kudos for daring to speak to the fuel pressure issue -- and for stating that their belief is that 24,500 lbs is a desireable safe point.

marketing techniques aside, Banks gets raspberries from me at least for publishing performance data from a truck that is illegal to drive on the street (while marketing to the safe power crowd), and for giving zero meaningful information about the performance of the box on a 305 HP truck.

As for injector damage, well, Banks is no worse off than the other pressure boxes out there, and they may be better (if you dont use the speed loader setting). So I wouldn't say the Banks box is an injector destroyer any more than, well, any other box out there except TST. the problem with the Banks box is, well, I just dont' know anything about how it would perform on the majority of the 3rd gen trucks out there (305 HP HOs).

 

Doug,I broke the 6spd in my 02,Drag comp,BDIII's and a few other trinkits. At the track Launched it hard and went into 3rd and no lower gears!Broke the cross shaft in the trans.(the thing musta been made of junk steel)The rest of the trans is built like a rock!

 

good to know. IIIs and a drag comp. thats pretty serious power. you must have been in the 450 HP region and well over 1000 lbs?

 

Doug,

Do you know anything about the Dr. P Predator box? Don't need flames on Dr. P, read 'em all, just curious as to what they do?

 

good suggestion -- I'll give that one a good serious shot. At first glance at their website I'd say its a pressure box much like the rest, with about 120HP gain on a 235/SO engine. I'll see if I can't interpret that a bit more accurately.

I'm running out of room for a 500x500 gif...

on edit: just got off the phone with Dr. performance. holy smokes!!! never in my life have I witnessed anyone with the skills he has to answer everything but what you ask. serious! its just like reading web site -- nothing is clear, everything needs interpretation, etc.

so I'll try an blow past that hocus pocus and get to the behavior of the box. Near as I can tell, he uses MAP and IAT for a two dimmentional mapping to fuel pressure error. claims moderate HP increases without raising fuel pressure above the stock 23,300 which means zero peak HP gains of course at the high end. probably all in the low end (drivability, seat-o-pants). He promised to fax me HP curves today so if i don't get those by end of today I'll publish the summary with what I have (which will be no Dr. Performance data).

keep in mind truth of the universe #1 for 555/305 engines: If a pressure box raises HP, it raises fuel pressure. If HP gains are measured at some rpm, then at that same rpm fuel pressure is higher than it was without the box.

and truth of the universe #2: a "HP gain" doesn't mean the engine will put out more than 305 at the flywheel (stock spec). It may mean low end drivability improvements, and HP gains above stock within those rpm ranges -- changes to the shape of the power curve without changing its highest point.

 

FYI...

My '98 6-speed handled 457RWHP/950RWTQ for 20,000 miles (doing a motor rebuild now)

My '98 12V auto is handling 1,200+RWTQ, and 530+RWHP.

A m,odified tranny is what you'll need.

A beefed Auto, or a good clutch in the 5 or 6-speed.

The 6-speeds are strong,, katoiler,, Were you launching in 4wd?

Merrick

 

Merrick,Nope it was a duelly **** near pulled the front wheels!Gotta love VHT!