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Old May 3, 2006 | 09:29 PM
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Help me figure out how to quit defueling

I have searched the threads but had no luck answering my question. I am having problems in drive from a standstill. The truck is defueling hard. I just put in a tripple lock TC, laminated flex, one piece input and the Edge extreme. The truck just falls flat on its face. In another thread I started I said I talked to edge and they said the Juice will not take away the trucks defueling mode but I can set the attitude to keep it from defueling(which I figured out). How do I get rid of the defueling on the truck? HELP ASAP. Oh yea - We added an auxilary fuel pump also and it didnt help either.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 09:49 PM
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you could probably unhook the data link & egt and get analog, so it would not know trans slip. but it would make an attitude monitor useless other than power level adj.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stlsparky
you could probably unhook the data link & egt and get analog, so it would not know trans slip. but it would make an attitude monitor useless other than power level adj.
how is the transmission slipping with a tripple lock? Sorry, if thats a dumb question.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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On 4-24-06 a poster names TAS asked a question and had some info in his post refering to BD race??(wow - that took about an hour of searching) Does anyone know if this piece is an anti - defueler.
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Old May 3, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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Jump the map sensor so the EJ and ECM will think the boost is up. This should allow the ECM and box to fuel at low boost. BD's anti-defueler, or RAD for the pre-600 trucks, just extends the rev limiter.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 04:12 AM
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Look here for the BD Power Speed Eliminator.
http://xtremediesel.com/index.asp?Pa...ROD&ProdID=589
This module also gives you the ability to overide the factory defueling that seems to affect us 03 owners the most. If you have not already gotten a better trans, then you will probably need to if you use it too much. It wires into the trucks computer and ABS system. Works great but you lose all your factory guages when it's on so it's really only good for the track....
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Old May 4, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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PM Gypsyman or AKRAM....they both have very hot 03's and may understand your problem. The RAD may work, but it has some negatives. Could you elaborate of the defueling your are witnessing?
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Old May 4, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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PM Gypsyman or AKRAM....they both have very hot 03's and may understand your problem. The RAD may work, but it has some negatives. Could you elaborate of the defueling your are witnessing?
In drive from a standstill or even after building boost from a standstill there is a 1-2 second major hestitation when I lay into the fuel peddle. Then after letting up a little it will go hard.

The one way to describe it is like an older gas truck that needs carburator work and it misses and sputters - then wham it picks up.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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I have an 03 S0 and with RAD and TST there is no hesitation from a stop. What do you use to lock up your torque converter? I can lay rubber for 150 feet at will. I'm still probably just under 400hp but my tranny works good so it all gets to the ground in the real world. It does take a second to get from 0 to 5psi boost from a standstill without RAD. I think the ECM in the 03's was made by Atari or Commodore. If I need boost from a stop the brake pedal is more effective than too much go pedal.....building boost. ks
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by abc4yew
I have an 03 S0 and with RAD and TST there is no hesitation from a stop. What do you use to lock up your torque converter? I can lay rubber for 150 feet at will. I'm still probably just under 400hp but my tranny works good so it all gets to the ground in the real world. It does take a second to get from 0 to 5psi boost from a standstill without RAD. I think the ECM in the 03's was made by Atari or Commodore. If I need boost from a stop the brake pedal is more effective than too much go pedal.....building boost. ks
I have a valve body but I dont always use it to lock up manually.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 12:50 PM
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Look here for the BD Power Speed Eliminator.
http://xtremediesel.com/index.asp?Pa...ROD&ProdID=589
This module also gives you the ability to overide the factory defueling that seems to affect us 03 owners the most. If you have not already gotten a better trans, then you will probably need to if you use it too much. It wires into the trucks computer and ABS system. Works great but you lose all your factory guages when it's on so it's really only good for the track....
Holly crap! I just talked myself in circles with Xtreme diesel. I called the company to order the BD power Ram speed eliminator that you linked up. I asked some questions to make sure this was the right thing I needed and also to see if it was compatible with the Edge. First off I was talking to a salesman and he kept leaving me to talk to a tech guy. The salesman keeps trying to say I dont know what I am talking about because the tech says the Edge does away with defueling -I say NO thats not right. Edge says they can control their defueling but not the trucks defueling. He then says The BD will only make the truck go faster not take away defuel. I said there are other people that say it will. He says you cant use information of some chat site. The salesman is talking down to me so I ask to talk to the tech guy directly he says you cant because I havent bought anything off them. I am about ready to blow at this point. I tell him why would I buy it if you are saying it wont work. I WANT TO TALK TO THE GUY WHO KNOWS SO I CAN DECIDE IF I WANT IT!! He still says I cant. What a crappy first time experience
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Old May 4, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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Your best bet may be to call BD-Power, makers of the RAD, and get the scoop from them on what it will and will not do. If you decide to buy one, then go looking for the best deal.

That sounds like typical 03 Torque Management programming, but you usually don’t hear of people with 48RE’s complaining about it, as with that trans it is not so severe. Unless you are just experiencing a little turbo lag, the RAD would probably hook you right up. As they mentioned you loose all gauges when it is on, so it doesn’t lend itself to daily driving. It kills everything on the dash, no TACH….no speedo. For in-town use I just turn it on when someone needs a spanking, then turn it off and my gauges come back to life.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AK RAM
Your best bet may be to call BD-Power, makers of the RAD, and get the scoop from them on what it will and will not do. If you decide to buy one, then go looking for the best deal.

That sounds like typical 03 Torque Management programming, but you usually don’t hear of people with 48RE’s complaining about it, as with that trans it is not so severe. Unless you are just experiencing a little turbo lag, the RAD would probably hook you right up. As they mentioned you loose all gauges when it is on, so it doesn’t lend itself to daily driving. It kills everything on the dash, no TACH….no speedo. For in-town use I just turn it on when someone needs a spanking, then turn it off and my gauges come back to life.
Just talked with my performance guy he has a supplier who runs a Diesel shop who actually is a BD dealer. He is on the hunt right now trying to get some info through BD. As far as the TQ management we are still trying to figure out why it is falling so hard. We dont thinks it lag. Still feel its a fuel issue. In 4 wheel low it doesnt do it. Hooks up hard and is very mean.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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Hey, I don't have the Juice, I run the TST, but I have an '03 with tranny work and the BD RAD. I find that the RAD does help a little off the line, but does more with the defueling I get on shifts. I know what you mean though, I get a better launch with a quick "roll-on" throttle application than by mashing it. The aftermarket torque converter I have is low stall as well so it takes a sec. longer to get into power mode because it wants to go off the bat instead of revving up first like the stocker (not that you want the slipping to start that bites worse) putting it into the "powerband" quicker. As mentioned the downside is the loss of gauges for using it all the time. Simple flip of the switch brings everything(gauges) back up though. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Old May 4, 2006 | 04:46 PM
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I definitely understand the issue you are talking about and I can tell you that the the BD Power Top Speed Eliminator will cure the problem!
I rarely use mine though so I don't have to listen to the Low fuel dinger going off..... It hits second gear very hard with the RAD activated and that's where the trans damage will occur if you haven't done upgrades.....
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