Hello all, I moved from Texas to South Dakota and havent had access to the site for about a month or better. Probably closer to 2 months. Its great to be able to log back on and see whats new in the cummins world. Any CTD guys in the Dakotas drop me a line.
Nice to see that Doug is still keeping the "box matrix" running strong. Which brings me to my question... Have any of the companies out there come out with a timing only box yet??? Or perhaps one that does timing primarily and a little pressure or duration. Didn't want to go as strong as the TST but definitly like the benefits of the timing advance both in economy and reliable low stress power increase. Quad had said something back in the spring about perhaps doing one but I dont think anything ever came of it.

 

I also am interested in this type of box for a 325/600. Anyone got info?

Thanks
Allen

 

As far as new boxes on the horizon I'm aware that Bullydog is working on a timing + pressure box. Van Aaken is working on timing + duration. Banks has timing + pressure today. Volumizer has pressure + timing today but I haven't been able to measure or detect the timing benefit there, and suspect it is very small. We also know that Quadzilla is working on timing + pressure.

Just my observation here, but given the fact that it has taken nearly two years for a reliable timing box to hit the market, I expect it is not trivial to do and probably expensive. Thus, and this is just my opinion, I would not expect to see a timing only box. It would most likely be bundled with pressure or duratation.

Now, its possible that someone might offer a timing only setting -- essentially turning the pressure off on a timing/pressure box. That would yield a very mild and drivable HP increase of, say, 25 HP depending on the advance. You could have, for example, a 25-70-110 HP box or something like that...

 

I think timing plus duration would be nice. Doug i can definitly see where there might be some expense associated with the box as you are right it has taken some time ot get the programming lined out for a timing solution. And it would appear it may yet have some glitches looking at some recent TST postings in here.

Has anyone heard about when the VA timing + duration box might be completed?

Is it the Banks Six Gun w/ Speed Loader that does timing + pressure?

Any ETAs on the other Timing + pressure boxes such as bullydog or Quadzilla?

I am looking primarily for a little more power for play and hauling. Nothing too heavy just a little more punch. I dont drag race per say, nor do I haul anything in excess of about 8000# anymore. I would like to add some economy to my truck and increase its mpg a bit if possible by monitoring my driving habits if a box will make it more efficient.... Any input please feel free...

Thanks

 

The timing issue is both a hardware problem and a software problem. indeed, timing and duration is not only good, duration without timing is very very bad, and results in a net retardation of timing.

there are no ETAs. Recall that about a year ago we were hearing "about another month or two" from Edge and they STILL have not come to market. This timing thing is no small nut to crack. Bullydog is working on it, Quadzilla, VAn Aaken. probably others too.

The Banks six gun without the speed loader also does timing. I just don't think it advances timing as much as the speed loader option does. I'm not sure why they do that, but I think the timing advance is dependant on the power setting.

Probably, for your goals, a timing/pressure box would do the best -- that will net the most timing advance. You should be able to net 100+ HP with timing and stay below 26,000 psi rail pressure. Maybe we'll hear something from Bullydog or Quadzilla in the next few weeks. Van Aaken may not say a word until they have something marketable, since they pretty much jumped out of sight after that brief flash in the pan duration box before we discovered how hot it ran

 

Doug,

Thanks for the great info! S mild timing + pressure sounds like just the ticket for my needs as well.
Should I go with the Banks or Volumizer or wait for one of the others? Any input would be appreaciated.

Thanks Yet Again
Allen

 

depends on your patience. Banks is available today. Volumizer doesn't advance timing enough to matter, and the rest have an indeterminate ETA!

 

I know the banks kit is pricey... I have found it for 699 on ebay w/ speedloader. How hard is it to install. It does appear to have the most connections of any and also seems to have the most protection of any for the auto tranny and good egt protection.

Any thoughts on what the banks 6-gun might do for economy increase on lower power settings? .. If any...

I did a search (several in fact) and the Banks seems to be a very reliable system capable of producing safe and usable (read in the rpm range we drive in) power. Does this seem to be the general concensis here or did I miss something in my search?..

Thanks again

 

As she has only 2000 miles so far I am in no big hurry. But.... my very understanding wife thinks I will have one on it in a few weeks. I am afflected with a condition that will not let me leave ANYTHING stock

I will try to wait and see what comes out.

 

blown32,

I have been running the volumizer for about 4,000 miles and have had no problems or codes. I usually keep it in the 50hP setting. Doug is right on as far as timing, I have driven mine with the cam/crank sensors unpluged and can tell no difference in power or in EGT. The only issue I have with the "V" is the EGT in the 100 hp setting. It will burry the gauge if you let it and it does it in a matter of seconds. Part of that is due to my truck having the stock intake and exhaust however, if the Volumizer was doing a measureable amount of timing you would see a reduction in EGT. As far as drivability I have a smile every time I get behind the wheel.