Sorry I thought you were referring to the Deaver logo.

 

the logo i was referring to is the lorenz sticker that is on the sway bar blocks in the photo of his complete system. i just find it odd that the blocks are the exact same shape as the kore blocks, right down to the eased edge.
as far as the deaver logo is concerned , when a guy sees that , he would assume that lorenz is putting deaver mini packs in his system.
outher then that it looks like a well put together system and im sure it performs well.

 

lets face it, the block is just a spacer. The block is the same size and shape as the sway bar mount. No real industry secret there. Just figure out how tall you want it.

but again, there is no engraving, just a silk screen.

pics will be up when they are approved.

 

pics

 

im sure this system performs well , what i am trying to get at is that this is still a knockoff of the kore system. i have talked to people who have told me that lorenz took kore vr coils to a manufacturer and tried to have them made. that is just down right wrong.
i am all for competition, it benefits us all, better performing product at better prices, but to have your buddies buy a kore system and then copy it
this is wrong. do your own homework and come up with something innovative on your own, and people well have respect for your product.
the dtr members can make up there own mind, just compare the products.
i am pretty sure that lorenz has not come even close in the r and d department compared to kore. just one guys opinion.
besisde what do i know , i just make a living playing in the dirt.

 

cool, so what do you do?

 

sand castle builder.

 

You mentioned R&D.

Lorenz had the correct geometry nailed from the start. It looks like Lorenz original tower height is now the standard that KORE uses on the ultimate kit. Who’s copying who? Lorenz shocks don’t bottom out on themselves like KOREs Race Series. Lorenz has room at the coil buckets to fit his 2.5” shock w/o needing to cut the buckets out like the KORE’s Unlimited Series Kit is in need of. Bolt-on kit eh? Lorenz uses 10” shocks, with 10” of travel. KORE still hasn’t caught up at 9.5” of travel and your in it for $9800. With that said I don’t know of too many other mistakes KORE could’ve made. Now tell us again, who did a better job at R&D.

Kent put time into valving, but if it takes an “Average Joe”, turned Baja 1000 Racer to valve a street mannered truck then most MDR guys might as well give up on their Racing Programs because they’ll never understand valving like a “Baja racer”. It’s not rocket science to valve a darn shock. Show me the R&D in that. I think I could argue that a “1 size fits all” valving profile, like the one KORE is so proud of, is non existent. You're not going to have a daily driver handle well off road, nor is a truck valved harder for off road going to be as plush on-the-road. It's a trade off. A guy crawling rocks isn't going to want the same valving profile a the guy going 80mph in the wide open desert. Yet you’ve bought into the "secrets", the marketing, and all the hoopla.

It’s a shock and a new tower to mount said shock, nothing new here. You don’t even need to change the springs to get a great ride when you use race shocks valved to your liking. This thinking needs to be squashed! Kent was called the “average Joe” in one of the first article about him. Do a search in google…. I’ll do it for you.
http://www.google.com/search?q=kent+...en-US:official

Newton, if your is in the industry… you should know all of this?

 

Newton, if your is in the industry… you should know all of this?[/QUOTE]


are you in the sand castle building industry too?
by the way,in 2004 kent ran baja 1000 using the same towers he offers today. that being said ,im sure at that point lorenz was still riding around on rancho 5000's. i have personally been in a truck with the infamouse ultimate kit on it and i can tell you that there is no need to cut the bucket as you stated so incorectly.
as a matter a fact, at the san felipe 250 we pushed our 8000 pound truck from mile 160 right to the bottom of matomi wash not skipping a beat or bottoming out the shocks as you stated incorrectly again, yet we did manage to rip a side view mirror off.
{those mexican trees are fast}
and on a final note i would just like to say that whatever r and d kore has done it still cant compare to a guy who buys a kore system and dissects it to the point that he can copy it.
i have nothing against lorenz or his system { i wouldnt buy his system}
i personally have not had the pleasure of riding in a truck with his stuff on it.
i would love to, just to see what the hoopla is all about.
but the fact that he feels he has to deface kore all the time just makes his credability go down the tubes.
has kore gone on any forum and ever said anything negative about lorenz?
not that i have ever seen or heard of. yet he is a muted user on this site
and his posts have been deleeted from the tdr site.
anyway i must go sleepy now, big day of building sand castles tomarro.

 

[QUOTE=MSR]You mentioned R&D.
[Lorenz uses 10” shocks, with 10” of travel. Now tell us again, who did a better job at R&D.

I think I could argue that a “1 size fits all” valving profile, like the one KORE is so proud of, is non existent. You're not going to have a daily driver handle well off road, nor is a truck valved harder for off road going to be as plush on-the-road. It's a trade off.]

to address msr i would like to ask how one can get 10 inches of travel from a 10 inch shock, total travel is measuered from full droop to full bump. if this is the case and lorenze is using 10 inch shocks there must be a situation in which there is metal to metal contact . if not, he must be using a 12 inch shock.
i can only speak about the kore race system due to the fact that i am unfamiliar with with the chase series and its charecteristics.
i have a race system on my 2nd gen truck and on my 3rd gen,
my 2nd gen truck runs an early version of the t rex race sytem, with a few updated parts, it cycles 9 inches of travel, full bump , no topping, to full droop,no bottoming, limited by the bump stops and limit straps, they are there for a reason. this truck has more hard miles on it then you could ever imagine. it has never bottomed or topped out ,it has been stuffed to the point that the dashboard has completly let go and moved on to an outher life. the hardest hit this truck has ever taken was coming out of a vado on the way from porticitos to g bay, this thing all of a sudden was there while in the midst of passing a slow local car{ must have been doing 80 mph } i stuffed the front end on impact like nobodys business, shocks never bottomed on themselves and she drove fine so i did what rg would do and pinned it. when we got to g bay it was time to see what happened, and to my dismay i had lost all of the clear covers on my hellas, o my god the world is over as we know it, we have to go back and get em, i truly believe that if i didnt have that suspension on that truck at that time something would have taken a big dookie.{ and who in there right mind is going to stop to pick up a guy int he middle of mexico cranking clay aiken and wearing a hello kitty tubetop with his truck broke in two.
my 3rd gen cycles a full 10 inches, full bump to full droop.as do all of kores shocks, this is actual travel on the shock shaft. she has been pushed but not to the point of stupid due to the fact that there are far to many payments left on her.
the bottom line here is that yes these trucks can be everyday drivers and rage in the desert, mine do and if yours cant maybe you should give kent a call.

 

So back on subject

I power coated my sway bar spacers. I could of done a better job, but they will be dirty soon and I wont notice. Think I may powercoat the sway bar mounts also, when I pull the swaybars and mount these spacers. Did I say powercoating is fun.



I think if we want to discuses the benefits of one suspension manufacturer over the other. We should start a string on that. Not hijack a thread on a different subject. I think it is obvious that there is no Kore logo on the sway bar mounts I showed here, as stated in a earlier post.

 

nice job on the power coat, just some food for thought, check the bushings when changing out the blocks, i have found that they take a good beating and seem to fall apart after a bit. replaced mine with energy suspension bushings and they have held up better then oem make sure to measue your sway bar, for some reason there seems to be a couple different sizes floating around out there, if i remember correcctly mine was 34 mm.

 

Man, don't you have a phone call the supplier of your lift and you will get the right price for the right piece. WOW...oh and let us know how much they are???

 

My lift is made by TopGunCustomz. Wouldn't do any good to call them and ask how much KORE antisway bar spacers would be. They'd most likely tell me just to call a distributor. WEIRD. I originally posted this question on a sunday which means everything was closed. Thanks for the idea though, I never would have thought to call the phone number listed on the website. Try reading my very first post on this thread. I believe I mentioned the fact that everything was closed.

 

Didn't mean to get your feathers RUFFLED up. I just find it funny that a person can spend 30-60,000 on a truck then try to cheap out on the little things. In the grand scheme of things whats a couple hundred $. I have seen this time and time again tripping over dollars to save a dime. I was not intending to poke a finger at you in particular.....By the way did you find out how much they were?