AirDog 150 & tank vent mod install on a Megacab
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From: Lloydminster, Alberta, Canada
So, what do you think I'm thinkin'?
Hint: It's not a new p/u as Sandaholic suggests. 
For that part, I believe the best solution, for sloshing elimination reasons, is for me to somehow get down past the OE pump to the bottom of the basket. Hopefully there is enough room for the 1/2" drawstraw / tubing / hose to get in there. I was hoping that GDP, on their "exposed" write-up, had a straight down pic of the bottom of the canister with the OE pump still inside........but to no avail.
Knowing if that part is possible would mean the world before even removing it to decipher with my own eyes.
Hint: It's not a new p/u as Sandaholic suggests. For that part, I believe the best solution, for sloshing elimination reasons, is for me to somehow get down past the OE pump to the bottom of the basket. Hopefully there is enough room for the 1/2" drawstraw / tubing / hose to get in there. I was hoping that GDP, on their "exposed" write-up, had a straight down pic of the bottom of the canister with the OE pump still inside........but to no avail.
Knowing if that part is possible would mean the world before even removing it to decipher with my own eyes.
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Sandaholic,
Any news on the experiment?
I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.
Cheers!
Any news on the experiment?
I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.
Cheers!
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Sandaholic,
Any news on the experiment?
I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.
Cheers!
Any news on the experiment?
I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.
Cheers!
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this is what we need!!!!!!http://www.gates.com/europe/brochure...cation_id=5165
they might not have the size we need tho???http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...ocation_id=541
they might not have the size we need tho???http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...ocation_id=541
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Laser Bob here in Colorado did my Airdog installation. He had the same idea and mounted a toggle switch under the hood on drivers side. It works great and is really easy just flip a switch and open one valve and close another. I will post some pic's of what he did if you would like to see it? I would really recommend doing this because things fail. My Airdog got clogged from a bad batch of diesel 30 mile's from home just a week ago. The truck died, but once I figured out it was the Airdog I flipped over to the stock pump and was on my way.
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Sandaholic,
Any news on the experiment?Just checked it again for ya.....everything is still hunky-dory
. I do the same thing every time I switch out the hose/s. I give them the scratch test with my fingernail and give it a few squeezes and bend it around, it always feels the same. I am convinced, but I see no reason not to keep it up. Hit me up whenever you'd like a report.
I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. GOOD GRIEF! That is some extra special hose bud! They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I agree to the extent that everything everywhere has it's breaking point and will deteriorate. But, what are we talking? Months, years? I imagine the rubber compound (or whatever the scientific term is) used in the outside (BLUE) layer of the hose is very similar if not the same as what is used on the inside. So if you can trust it to be diesel compatible for 5 years supplying fuel at 15-20 psi then even with the hose being on a nonstop rotating exposure schedule from fuel to air it should still last you a good couple years? I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.Well I hope the super hose works out for ya. Give us some pics of your setup when you're done.
Cheers!
Any news on the experiment?Just checked it again for ya.....everything is still hunky-dory
. I do the same thing every time I switch out the hose/s. I give them the scratch test with my fingernail and give it a few squeezes and bend it around, it always feels the same. I am convinced, but I see no reason not to keep it up. Hit me up whenever you'd like a report.I went to an industrial shop today that specializes in fittings and hose to round up some stuff. I was able to get two brass bulkhead fittings and along with them, they cut me some custom size nitrile gaskets for free. These guys were so helpful, they have a customer for life! I even loaded up the DTR on their PC to show them the project I was doing so they "could visualize" it and make sure I got the right parts. Unreal customer service.
Then discussion turned to getting some hose that was submersible. A very knowledgeable fellow from the back brought up some different rubber and clear PVC, plastic, and nylon hose they kept from customers that were submersed for various periods of time(gasoline, kerosene, diesel, and some chemicals)..........they were discolored and brittle. I spent four hours waiting while they searched every supplier they had, but eventually found me some "chemical" resistant teflon corrugated hose in 5/8". There is only 13' available in North America. Of course, it's a whopping $106 a foot. GOOD GRIEF! That is some extra special hose bud! They're going to cut me a deal and let me have whatever I need at $89 a foot and keep the rest as they've had other requests as well.
Keep an eye on what you guys have put in your tank. It will eventually break down. I agree to the extent that everything everywhere has it's breaking point and will deteriorate. But, what are we talking? Months, years? I imagine the rubber compound (or whatever the scientific term is) used in the outside (BLUE) layer of the hose is very similar if not the same as what is used on the inside. So if you can trust it to be diesel compatible for 5 years supplying fuel at 15-20 psi then even with the hose being on a nonstop rotating exposure schedule from fuel to air it should still last you a good couple years? I was told anything plastic will break down in no time. This leaves me to believe that the canister construction and OE hoses are nylon maybe?
I could not find any nylon hose anywhere....so teflon it is.Well I hope the super hose works out for ya. Give us some pics of your setup when you're done.
Cheers!
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Laser Bob here in Colorado did my Airdog installation. He had the same idea and mounted a toggle switch under the hood on drivers side. It works great and is really easy just flip a switch and open one valve and close another. I will post some pic's of what he did if you would like to see it? I would really recommend doing this because things fail. My Airdog got clogged from a bad batch of diesel 30 mile's from home just a week ago. The truck died, but once I figured out it was the Airdog I flipped over to the stock pump and was on my way.
Side note:
Any of you guys ever pull the fuse to the lift pump relay to see if the CP3 will pull through the airdog? Just wondering?
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From: Surrey BC Canada (it's not that bad eh!)
I just did my AD 100 install using the Liberty canister and the AD return going to the filler neck, it didn't go to well when the fuel drops below the top of the canister. Basically the AD pumps out the canister faster than the engine return fills it, now I need to plumb the AD return into the canister.
Here's the details:
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=204909
I'd use the draw straw Mark posted rather than screw around with hose worth $100 per foot.
Here it is, you can also get it with the AD 8AN type fittings, this is the one I'm thinking of putting into my canister for the AD return:
http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/pr...px?pf_id=14FPA
Here's the details:
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=204909
I'd use the draw straw Mark posted rather than screw around with hose worth $100 per foot.
Here it is, you can also get it with the AD 8AN type fittings, this is the one I'm thinking of putting into my canister for the AD return:
http://www.glacierdieselpower.com/pr...px?pf_id=14FPA
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There is a plan..........or maybe just a shot in the dark ongoing. I'll take a bunch of pics and post when I actually get on this project - parts are currently the hold up. However things transpire, it certainly will be unique.
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Do you mean by just straight into the tank?
That question is easy - even at a half tank I can physically feel the fuel slosh in the truck when coming to a stop light. After reading the plethora of zero pressure issues, I either have to use the OE canister, or build another. All this is wrapped around the plan of retaining the OE fuel pump to do a 15-20 switch to the OE system in case of AD failure. I have decided to ultimately retain the OE system on standby - there is no phone service and thus no help available to some of my hunting and fishing spots. Having said that, I'd probably break something else before the AD, but knowing I have a backup makes me feel better.
On edit: Now after reading your other thread with the issues, I again pondered this question:
My belief is that a straight draw straw will not afford the flex required when the canister compresses back in place. I have a feeling that either the line will kink and cut off suction, or it will bend to an unwanted position of not being able to draw enough fuel off the bottom of the canister when fuel levels drop.
That question is easy - even at a half tank I can physically feel the fuel slosh in the truck when coming to a stop light. After reading the plethora of zero pressure issues, I either have to use the OE canister, or build another. All this is wrapped around the plan of retaining the OE fuel pump to do a 15-20 switch to the OE system in case of AD failure. I have decided to ultimately retain the OE system on standby - there is no phone service and thus no help available to some of my hunting and fishing spots. Having said that, I'd probably break something else before the AD, but knowing I have a backup makes me feel better.
On edit: Now after reading your other thread with the issues, I again pondered this question:
.....why don't you just use a normal draw straw?
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This place should have something good.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/cat...e=18308&Page=1
It is where I got my Ether hose from but there are other products in there I am thinking on trying because I did not like the ether hose they gave me. Seemed to easy to kink. There fuel hose really doesn't seem bad but I did not want to spend $50 plus shipping and have it not be what I want.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/cat...e=18308&Page=1
It is where I got my Ether hose from but there are other products in there I am thinking on trying because I did not like the ether hose they gave me. Seemed to easy to kink. There fuel hose really doesn't seem bad but I did not want to spend $50 plus shipping and have it not be what I want.
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I already have en route what I want - they ordered it as I was still there. If I don't like it, they said I don't have to buy it - they would be able to sell. They're also going to try to fuse it to a piece for an additional idea I have going - no fittings. These folks are awesome. They have any fitting possibly imaginable and would have someone run anything to my house I required for this project and I could not get away. They apparently like my out of the box thinking -- I could probably get a job just on the premise of this idea alone -- they want to see how it turns out.
They have me as a customer for life.......I haven't seen a place with this level of customer service in a long time.....if ever. For the three folks I was working with, there is no problem....just a solution that hasn't been found yet.
DC could learn something from these folks. I just have to remember to take donuts the next time I'm off and the parts are in.
-- they want to see how it turns out.They have me as a customer for life.......I haven't seen a place with this level of customer service in a long time.....if ever.
For the three folks I was working with, there is no problem....just a solution that hasn't been found yet.DC could learn something from these folks. I just have to remember to take donuts the next time I'm off and the parts are in.
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What about the early 04 guys? How can we mod our canisters? Or can we buy a liberty canister and make this all work? I plan on doing my install here very soon! My truck has been retrofitted with a intake pump but have waiting to do a ad150 install.. Just confused on how the early 04 trucks do there canister to eliminate the 1/4 tank issue? From what I can tell early o4 and 05 canisters look the same besides the actual top of it where the factory lines hook up.. Thats only thing that looks different? So would we just need to buy the liberty canister and mod it as yall have and use it to eliminate all 1/4 tank issues?