Yep, adding mods, boxes, then breaking something and expecting someone else to pay is dishonest (theft, cheating).

The outcome is predictable, just read the posts in this forum. Adding mods = (FUN!) = broken truck with HUGE costs to repair. If you can afford it, then go for it!

BTW, as an embedded systems control programmer, DC finally getting around to capturing and writing to EEPROM evidence of tampering is childs play. A lot of people are going to get caught with boxes and busted drive trains/voided warrantees. I suspect that ECM flash will be coming very soon.

Why haven't they done it (resident code could, and likley already is, in place waiting to be read by the next starscan software version)? Probably waiting for Ford/Chevy to do the same. Maybe it's good for business to let it happen as the cummins blows up less then the duramax?? An interesting marketing scheme, only DC knows for sure!

When all three manufactures get tired being shafted by box/module users there will be change. The engineeers for Cummins and Dodge are really smart guys. They read these forums, and undoubtedly have Rams with boxes and modules on them for personal use. No one is fooling anyone here.

Anyway it might go like this... DC issues a recall on your truck stating blah blah and you need to bring it in to continue warranty coverage. They flash the ECM, you go home and re-install your stuff. Everything works fine, next month you blow up your motor/pump/injectors/tranny etc. You remove your boxes and take it to the dealer to attempt to defraud them into paying for you decision. They read the ECM, give you printout of how, which device was connected, when it was installed/removed, when you over pressured/torqued the block/turbo/pump/nozzles and void your warranty and show you the bill for $11,000 to fix it.

It's their warranty, and they hold all the cards and will shut you down when they see fit.

Have a nice day.

 

Please, please mod your truck and blow it up, then lie right to the dealers face and have him fix your mistakes on their coin. Then, make you sure you cry like a baby at the prices of new trucks when you go to buy one because part of your warranty cost is factored in to what they need to charge for them.

If you went to work and had to pay for a co-workers mistakes you would raise holy hell, but when it's a big company footing the bills somehow people think they are entitled to freebies. And please don't tell me about how people get denied warranty work for real claims because it is the exact actions you are looking to do that puts these claims in question true or not. I'm not saying the dealer is always right but your premeditated actions are far worse. Some people really do get screwed by dealers and that is where a lawyer comes into play.

Oh, and make sure you teach your kids or others that dishonesty is the best policy so this cycle can keep repeating itself.

Sticky

 

you are insane dude. done listen to guys like this they are just trying to scare you.

 

You're right dude. Don't be scared about modding the truck. Do it all you want, it belongs to you. Just be aware that if you do, you are your own warranty station. Have fun.

 

Actually crankpot is correct in his hypothesis. I have programmed a few microcontrollers in my day and it is very easy to store snapshots of system performance. I am surprised this isn't already being done - maybe it is...

 

whatever yall dont worry. chip it away! if say your power windows or radio goes out they cannot use the chip against you.

dont worry so much. alot of these guys on here try to scare you with worst case scenarios that has happened to 1 guy out of the hundreds of thousands that own these trucks.

 

That's right. You will only loose the warranty on the engine and drivetrain. No big deal.

 

well it is a big deal, but if you play and by your playing you messed the engine up, then yes you should have to pay for the repair and not dodge. i have had several vehicles and left them completetly stock thru their life time and they have 200k+ miles on them.

you play you pay.

 

How many of these trucks break with just a programmer or Edge on them if not abused?? I would find it hard to belive that 75 or 100 hp extra will cause one of our trucks to blow up or come apart if dodge built there trucks so close to the edge of coming apart then when mine breaks I will go back to a FORD. I am pretty sure I will be driving my CTD for years to come.

 

exactly. running a safe 70hp tun on your daily driver the truck will last forever. most guys who say there tranny is blow and sucks are running 200hp smarty programs or something of that nature.

keep is safe, reasonable and you will be fine.

 

Guys like you JUST crack me up!


Your walking around jamming to tunes on your iPod, calling your buddies on your cell, and checking mph with your GPS, and you think DC can't tell when a performance modifying device has been added to a computerized engine??? Ever heard of a data recorder? Its a COMPUTER just like the one bolted to a Cummins block.

If you believe that load of manure your spreading, you don't even suspect what you don't know. I think your just trolling for a reaction, and in the mean time giving some really bad advice to a valid question.


Bottom line, you break it you fix it. If the dealer fixes it and doesn't ding you thats a bonus. Just don't expect to tool into any dealer and get the same treatment cuz it ain't gonna happen.


FYI, DC has been able to tell for years when things have been played with on the performance end by checking certain registers in the ECU. It just wasn't to their advantage to push it is all. Thats changing.

 

i never said they couldnt detect it, but if the man wants to run a resonable 70hp tune and not stack chips to get him 200hp+ them he should never have to worry about going to the dealer.

Its just like posts when they just says his engine his idleing funny, hard to srart. the FIRST guy a replies and all he says his your injectors are bad! Edit how the hell do you know?! now that man is scared Edit when all it could need is a ECM flash.

give me a break guys.

maybe my dealers are different but you guys make it sound like taking it to the dealer is like a trip to hell. that has not been my expereience, i pull in tell them what is wonrg and they never mention my tires, exhaust, edge Ez, etc.


lay off on the scare stories for these new members. all you are doing is making them not want to buy a CTD.

 

Big Brother is already in your truck with a black box that captures certain stats within the last 20 seconds of an impact that triggers the air bag. All 3 manufacturers have had these boxes in their vehicles for years and are just now starting to use the stats captured in accident investigations.
I'm sure they can tell when their computer programs have been messed with. Just think about all the info they can get from a vehicle with GPS.

 

Just because you can get away with something it does not make it right. Is a lie only a lie if you get caught? Take the high road. If you want to add HP, and who doesn't, do it and be willing to pay. My SO 235 hp became 300+ from the factory with little changes. I would like to make mine equal to the HO but can't and keep the warranty. The warranty is worth more to me than the added HP and the truck does fine the way it is, for me. So add some HP if you want, you may never have a problem. But........

 

I guess it all depends on what kind of morals you were brought up with or have developed. I can sleep at night knowing I and my friends are honest people. I may not have more money in the bank because of it, but I'm O.K. with that!