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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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See the "My Lift Pump..." post for the answer to this. I want to keep all the technical stuff in one post so that I can send people there when they ask questions.
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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Not for the engines in the Rams. Cummins sells Dodge complete engines without warranty. A Cummins shop can't/won't do warranty work on the CR motors because they can't read the ECMs anymore. DC carries all the warranty load on the powerplants of these trucks now.
I disagree.

Cummins distributors can work on the Dodge Cummins engine if the dealer authorizes it (dealer doesn't have diesel tech and/or can't figure it out).

I have personally taken trucks to a Cummins distributor after service could not be performed at the dealer (in this case it was pure incompetence).

In-Site can interrogate the Cummins ECM on a Dodge Truck. In-Site cannot interrogate any of the DC ECM's (abs, cluster, skim, radio, etc.).

Star is staffed by Cummins paid personell. The warranty on the engine is Cummins.
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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Yes DC carries the warranty on the cummins engines used in the Dodge applications. Unless things have changed in the last year or so DC is the one that does warranty work. Cummins can not work on Dodge trucks and get warranty paid for it unless DC authorizes it or the customer pays for it them selves.
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Bigblock,

They may let Cummins work on it if they authorize it... becase they're (DC) paying the bill. Cummins does not foot the bill on warranty repairs for an engine in a Dodge truck.
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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"They may let Cummins work on it if they authorize it... becase they're (DC) paying the bill. Cummins does not foot the bill on warranty repairs for an engine in a Dodge truck."

So what you are saying is the Dodge buys engines from Cummins and Cummins doesn't provide any warranty on them, Dodge does ? I highly doubt that is the case.

I'll bet the deal goes like this. Dodge buys engines from Cummins. Dodge agrees to provide all the front line warranty service work with the customer. Cummins is responsible for any engines/parts that are defective. Likewise Cummins buys fuel systems from Bosch. Bosch warranties their fuel systems to Cummins.
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Old Dec 28, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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So what you are saying is the Dodge buys engines from Cummins and Cummins doesn't provide any warranty on them, Dodge does ? I highly doubt that is the case.
Since you don't seem to believe me, do yourself a favor and send an email to Cummins and ask them this question! They'll tell you the same thing... they sell engines to DC with NO warranty. This came right out of the plant manager's mouth at the CMEP when I was there last. I was told this exact same thing from a Cummins rep this past summer. Both of those conversations floated over the "you are your own warranty station" topic, and they both expressed that warranty repairs were on DC's nickel. Go read the "Answer from Cummins" thread in the hi-po section... that email clearly state's their position as well. Just because you highly doubt it doesn't make it so.
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 06:13 AM
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I agree. Cummins is a supplier just like anyone else. If there are quality issues then that would be discussed between Chrysler and Cummins no one else.
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Old Dec 29, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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You're 100% correct on the warranty deal Banshee. And I'm sure DC hasn't been overly satisfied with the VP bills they've been flipping for the past years. A lot of bashing of DC on some of the engine/fuel system should be pointed at the mother of no fault Cummins/Boschturd.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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"Is there an aftermarket replacement for the stock lift pump in the original mfg location that would hook up using all the original hoses and wiring?"

I dunno. I recommend the Walbro for reasons I have discussed ad nauseum. It has to have a bypass or pressure relief.

"Second if I put a fuel pressure alarm on my cp3 would that be enough to tell me when my lift pump is going out."

Probably.

"I just had my cp3 replaced on my 2004.5 at 28k miles and I don't want to go through it again anytime soon."

Sorry to hear of your pains.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Superduty
"They may let Cummins work on it if they authorize it... becase they're (DC) paying the bill. Cummins does not foot the bill on warranty repairs for an engine in a Dodge truck."

So what you are saying is the Dodge buys engines from Cummins and Cummins doesn't provide any warranty on them, Dodge does ? I highly doubt that is the case.

I'll bet the deal goes like this. Dodge buys engines from Cummins. Dodge agrees to provide all the front line warranty service work with the customer. Cummins is responsible for any engines/parts that are defective. Likewise Cummins buys fuel systems from Bosch. Bosch warranties their fuel systems to Cummins.
If engine suppliers provided the warranty for engines then International would be footing the bills for the 6.0 powerjoke. Last I read Ford's warranty costs were through the roof because of the 6.0.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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It must be great to be a manufacturer of something intricate like an engine and not have to worry about warrantying it. Cummins and International must be in heaven. Ship junk and no worries.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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Quote "Is there an aftermarket replacement for the stock lift pump in the original mfg location that would hook up using all the original hoses and wiring?"[/QUOTE]

No!!
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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And have you researched all the suppliers of lift pumps in the world ? Unless you have, you don't know either.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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And have you researched all the suppliers of lift pumps in the world ? Unless you have, you don't know either.

You my friend are on in the wrong place here. You need to go to the Allpar forum and chat with a guy named Bob Sheaves he and you have alot in common.
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Old Dec 30, 2005 | 05:53 PM
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And have you researched all the suppliers of lift pumps in the world ? Unless you have, you don't know either.
Been researching for the last 6 1/2 years and I have not come accross anything yet.
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