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highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 07:42 PM

what's up with my truck?
 
Hey guys
New to the forum.
My 01 has 80k, no probs so far. Yesterday, the truck when coasting in gear at ~900 rpm started to run like sh!t- stumbling, no power, wouldn't get over 1000 rpm. Shut it down, restarted, and it ran fine.
Thought maybe water in fuel, clogged filter. CHanged filter, and the same think happened 3 times today. Same symptoms, cured itself by shutting down and restarting immed.
What's up???
I'm a gas guy. This is my (hopefully dependable) work truck.
Thanks.

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 07:48 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Sorry to be a newbie and jump into the forum with a question, but didn't know what to search under. I've got buddies saying 'you need a lift pump' bla bla bla, but that might be because that's the only diesel part they know..
One other thing I could mention, when the motor was running poorly it was also blowin a bunch of blue smoke. I don't have a Fuel press guage so I can't tell you what that was...
Thanks again.

AKDSLDOG 12-02-2003 07:54 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
I have run into the same problem, I pulled the codes today at work and came up with P0216 *Injection pump timing failure*. I have talked with my dealer and they will cover the VP44 & Lift Pump under the 100K warrenty. Get to a shop and check for codes, then go from there. 8)

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 08:03 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
02-
Did your truck just start doing this out of the blue? I had heard that there was a lift and/or injector pump recall but I checked my VIN and only an electrical connector in the 'power distribution center' came up. I always thought that was called the fuse block...whatever.
Should I expect the truck to die for good (until I get it fixed) shortly?

AKDSLDOG 12-02-2003 08:56 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Yep, just started it right out of the blue. I was cruzin down the hwy at about 70, went to pass a car and it just hit a wall, no power and the pedal was down to the floor. Didn't run rough or studder, just lost power like right now. It came back after about two seconds. Then it did it again a couple days later. I reset the APPS sensore and it drove great for about 2-3 weeks then started to do it again. Some times it would just do it for a split second other times it would be a mile or two down the road before the power was back on. I replaced the APPS last night ($353.60) and it made no differance. I pulled the codes at work today and came up with a P0216 * Injection pump timing failure*. After talking with dodge up here about ordering a new pump, I talked with the service dept. and they said the Injection pump and the Lift Pump are covered under the 100K warrenty deal no questions asked. So mine is going to the shop in the morning. And of course it ran perfect all the way home tonight. [eyecrazy]

I supose it could take a major dump before you get it fixed. Have your cell phone ready. :-X

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 09:09 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
I just ran the codes and recieved
1693- DTC detected in ECM or PCM..
??

AKDSLDOG 12-02-2003 09:17 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
I could run that through the Michell at work tomarrow for ya and find some info. But you will probly get the awnser here faster. I'll check for ya in the morning and try to post with out getting introuble from work. ::) ;D

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 09:55 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Thanks 02 and everyone else.. When I do find out what's up I'll post and let you all know.

gandrews 12-02-2003 10:08 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Check this link for a list of the codes and what they mean.

http://www.troublecodes.net/chrysler/

The other day my truck set a code. Turned the key off and on three times (leaving it on the 3rd time) without starting. Then the codes were shown in the odometer. The first code in the PCM was 1693, it then came to what looked like the end but waiting a bit longer, it next showed the codes in the ECM which was a P0234 (overboost - I think the Banks Ottomind knew it was about to be replaced and went on strike). Finally when it was finished with the display it showed the mileage. Bottom line is I "think" the P1693 is telling you that a code had been set in either the PCM or the ECM. Is it possible you have a second code set and did not wait for the show to end?

Good luck,

George

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 10:41 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Yeah, after it gave me the 1693 code it read 'done' and then it returned to the mileage. I thought of that, and went out and checked again, but that's all.
Thanks for the idea. Keep 'em comin!

highmtnjeepn 12-02-2003 10:56 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
The more I search on 1693 and the more old posts I read, I'm getting to thinking that this code doesn't mean all that much. I don't know if I should feel better or worse? I need to figure out what is going on with this motor. Someone suggested that a scanner can pick up codes that the ignition sequence will not show...true?
Anyone else experienced this loss of power/ rough running that goes away at restart?

magnum 12-03-2003 08:18 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
DTC means Detected Trouble Code in your ECM (electronic control module, or PCM Power control module. Sounds like a VP-44

AKDSLDOG 12-03-2003 10:23 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
VP44 sounds like the problem child. Our computors were down today at work so I couldn't look it up for ya, but I would bet your pump is gone. If you are under 100k miles, take it to your dealer and have them run the scan if it come up with the lift pump or the injection pump you are covered under warrenty, if it's not eigther of those two it will cost ya $80.00 for the scan and they will tell you whats wrong. Well $80.00 up here anyway. Call em and see what they say. :-

highmtnjeepn 12-04-2003 08:01 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
OK, so I need a lift pump. As I'm under 100K, it should be a warranty deal, right? I hope the dealer doesn't try to dick me over service records....
By the way, how much of an effect would fuel filter change intervals have on pump life?

midwestdually 12-04-2003 08:39 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
covered under warranty

cmckinney 12-04-2003 05:25 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
It doesn't sound like the lift pump.

The VP-44 injection pump needs to be replaced and troubleshooted.

Brother had the same issue on his truck with only 30k miles on it in an 2001 model.

-CM

MCummings 12-04-2003 07:22 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
5year, 100,000 miles. Get that truck into the dealer. Classic VP44 failure. Once it's replaced, you should be runnin' along, and happy motorin' your heart out.

Too bad the pump failed, but eventually they all will.

Merrick

BigBlackDodge 12-04-2003 07:41 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
had similar problem for quite a while. Truck would lose power out of the blue. Went to the dealer and he pulled up a bunch of codes. After he cleared the codes, it never reset another code but it still did the same thing. Reset APPS - no luck, change boost senor - no luck, new APPS - no luck. One day the the tach quit working and the idle went to caca. Replaced the CPS and it ran better than ever.

Truck started similar symptons months later. Turned out to be the boost fooler on the BD Plug in Power.

I have got 50-60,000 trouble free miles since the last fix.
I rolled 387,000 today.

Hope this might help.

highmtnjeepn 12-05-2003 10:01 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
THanks everyone for the replies.
One more question... Been driving the truck all week, and it has done 'it' 5 times. Everytime I've shut down, still rolling, and restarted, and it has run fine.
I've only gotten the 1693 code thru the odo.
When I take it to the dealer, are they going to believe me that the injection pump is bad, or will it have to do 'it' while they're in it? Is it possible that they can pull a code thru a scanner that doesn't show up on the odo?

scuzman00 12-05-2003 05:27 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
High,

I had the IDENTICAL problem occur on my 02 at 68K miles. I pulled codes and got same as you. I played it for about 2 days until I could not stand it any further. Took to the local 5 star here in Houston and they could not even get a ode to come up, (I did not pull battery cables to reset either). They were gonna give me back truck with no fix and I explained the codes I read and fired them off to them and explained that the lift pump seemed suspect. After a little more verbal persuasion, the test drove truck and it crapped out on them while accelerating on freeway on ramp.

Needless to say I left one day later with new lift pump, VP-44 and a really clean left side of engine, (and a wallet that lost no weight in the process cept for rent car)..

Stay on the service writer when ya take it in!!!!

phox_mulder 12-05-2003 10:46 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
I concur.

My VP44 died with only 4,000 miles on my 2002.

No codes, not even the P1693.

Lift pump was well within specs, still is.

Took 3 trips to the Dealer before it would even be symptomatic in the presence of the service guys.

Finally it did it for them, and 5 days later I had a shiny new VP44 and a knee sized dent in my radiator fins [eyecrazy]

Haven't had a lick of trouble since.


phox

Dr. Evil 12-06-2003 08:37 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Sounds a little more like Injector pump than lift pump to me hopefully theyll cover it.

Good luck.

MCummings 12-06-2003 09:02 AM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
[quote author=Tow Monster link=board=4;threadid=23177;start=15#msg218394 date=1070588503]
I rolled 387,000 today.[/quote]

Time to update your sig :)

That's alot of miles!

South Tx? Me too, Cool.

Merrick

dminer 12-10-2003 11:33 PM

Re:what's up with my truck?
 
Please keep us posted on how it goes with the dealer...


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