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Water/Methanol Injector Location ?

Old Aug 1, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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Thanks for all the information.

Now, can someone give me a ballpark figure on how many 700 pound Charolais steers it will take to purchase a system to meet my needs??

Thanks.
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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BearKiller

Thanks for all the information.
Now, can someone give me a ballpark figure on how many 700 pound Charolais steers it will take to purchase a system to meet my needs??
Thanks.
Less than one!
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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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Since it's typically so very dry here I was thinking about using some mysters (which I already bought) before the turbo (water only) to create some very dense air and extra boost from the vaporization and then spray water/alcohol right after the IC.
I will make sure the myst going into the turbo is extremely fine as to not further damage my beat up compressor blades.
I currently max at 34psi so I am very interested in seeing the difference with w/m injection.

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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 11:09 PM
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Rather than this pre-turbo mist going directly into the turbo, could you not keep the air-filter externally saturated, so that the turbo is breathing a fog, rather than a mist??

Just a thought, as I would be among the last to actually know.
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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BearKiller

Rather than this pre-turbo mist going directly into the turbo, could you not keep the air-filter externally saturated, so that the turbo is breathing a fog, rather than a mist??

Just a thought, as I would be among the last to actually know.


I now! a vary small swamp cooler in replace of the filter!!!
Just kidding with ya.....but the best filter(as far as filtration) was, the 50-60 oil bath air filters

if you made a water bath filter..........na that wouldn't work, the first time you step on the go peddle the woter would slosh out and solid flow of water would be way hard on the compressor fins.
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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A swamp cooler air filter...LOL!

Swamp coolers only working in dry climates is what got me thinking about the effects of relative humidity on w/m injection. If the humidity makes a difference between a swamp cooler working or not, it seems like it would be enough to affect w/m injection too. I'm surprised more w/m guys haven't commented on this yet.
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
A swamp cooler air filter...LOL!

Swamp coolers only working in dry climates is what got me thinking about the effects of relative humidity on w/m injection. If the humidity makes a difference between a swamp cooler working or not, it seems like it would be enough to affect w/m injection too. I'm surprised more w/m guys haven't commented on this yet.
It would matter more if heat were not in the equation, but because the compressed inlet air is hot and in motion, there is more capacity for evaporation than if the inlet air was at ambient temp. Also more dense air can hold more of a vapor load. Lower the pressure and it starts raining! None of that matters because during the compression stroke and subsequent ignition of the injected fuel all the water/meth vaporizes instantly.

example: Steam rooms are 100% humidity, but when water is poured on those hot lava rocks it still vaporizes!
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mhuppertz
It would matter more if heat were not in the equation, but because the compressed inlet air is hot and in motion, there is more capacity for evaporation than if the inlet air was at ambient temp. None of that matters because during the compression stroke and subsequent ignition of the injected fuel all the water/meth vaporizes instantly.
Ok, that makes sense when you consider the extra heat involved. Anyone know what kind of air intake temps our trucks see (IC and/or non-IC)?
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
Ok, that makes sense when you consider the extra heat involved. Anyone know what kind of air intake temps our trucks see (IC and/or non-IC)?

I've read the outlet of the turbo on a non-ic hovers a good deal over 300 degreesF at full boogie...couple hundred lower for an IC setup....
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 11:39 AM
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I believe that it's still 200deg coming out of the intercooler at max pressure. I need to measure that when I start expreimenting with mysters.
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 11:52 AM
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Wouldn't an IC and non-IC be about the same temp at the turbo outlet?
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
Wouldn't an IC and non-IC be about the same temp at the turbo outlet?
I said out of the IC, not turbo...
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mhuppertz
I said out of the IC, not turbo...

G1625S said out of the turbo would be different.

Out of the turbo would be the same, but at the intake elbow/valves would be different.
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mhuppertz
I said out of the IC, not turbo...
Roger that. However, don't forget that the compressor on a non IC is really quite puny, so at the same level of boost, the non-ic compressor will likely make more heat, FWIW
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Old Aug 2, 2006 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mhuppertz
Since it's typically so very dry here I was thinking about using some mysters (which I already bought) before the turbo (water only) to create some very dense air and extra boost from the vaporization and then spray water/alcohol right after the IC.
I will make sure the myst going into the turbo is extremely fine as to not further damage my beat up compressor blades.
I currently max at 34psi so I am very interested in seeing the difference with w/m injection.

Thoughts?
I wouldn't do it, it will tear the blades up no matter how fine you spray it. You will also have puddling in the intercooler.

You will likely see 45 psi with the water/meth.
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