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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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Injector & Head Question

I'm a bit muddy on this

The first gen cummins had 9mm injectors & then was upgraded near the end of it's life to the 7mm injectors?

Does the p-pumped heads swap over to the first gen? If so would you be able to use the higher horsepower second gen injectors?

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Old Oct 26, 2009 | 11:41 PM
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The 9mm injector bores are only on the non intercooled motors. All the intercooled engines have 7mm bores, including P pump heads. You cant use p pump injectors with a ve because the pop off pressure is higher for the p pump injectors.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 05:17 AM
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Aren't the pistons different also. I know the injectors have different spray angles from the VE pump to the P pump.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigone721
The 9mm injector bores are only on the non intercooled motors. All the intercooled engines have 7mm bores, including P pump heads. You cant use p pump injectors with a ve because the pop off pressure is higher for the p pump injectors.
You can't run p pump injectors because the injector body has larger thread, 14mm to be exact. You could run ve injectors at p-pump pressures, but I can promise you it won't run well at all and the VE won't like either.

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Aren't the pistons different also. I know the injectors have different spray angles from the VE pump to the P pump.
Yes they are slightly different.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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The non-IC motors are 155* spray angle, the IC are 145*.

"Marine 370" is 155*

The cylinder heads will interchange, but you can't put 9mm injectors in a 7mm head without machining (don't know why you would). You can get adapters to run the 7mm inj. in a 9mm head.
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 01:12 PM
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Once again the archive came through with the answer to my question.

I have a fellow who has a very low mileage 95 P-Pump motor head (20K miles) He's looking to dump it cheap and asked if I would be interested. So I wanted to make sure a 95 head would work on a 91-93 motor...seems it does.
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Old Jun 20, 2013 | 03:49 PM
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Yes a P-pump head will work on our mess, BUT . . . ..

You will find that while the boss for mounting our throttle bracket is there, you'll see it is not drilled and threaded to mount our throttle bracket.

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It's no big deal however to use your bracket as a template, and drill & tap the holes as is needed. As I recall, the holes may go into your charge-air intake log, but it's OK. just use some teflon tape if it bothers you.

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Old Jun 21, 2013 | 12:32 PM
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More great info...Thank you for taking the time to add the info and pics....
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