1st Gen. Ram - All Topics Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here.

Gear/Tire Ratio for MPGs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 01:57 AM
  #1  
Mike337's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: Sterling, Va
Gear/Tire Ratio for MPGs

I am looking to get the best fuel mileage out of my truck I can. I know I need to get the gears/tire size right for the peak engine performance. I never tow and it's a daily driver. I'm sure one of you will know how to calculate that good stuff, I have no clue. Anyone mind helping me out?

Here's what we are working with:

1989 Ramcharger with a 1990 4x4 W250 suspension.
1993 Cummins 12v non-intercooled
518 transmission 3 speed w/ OD
1990 W250 Dana 61/71 combo 3.07 gears.
16 inch rims.

Am I missing anything?
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 07:45 AM
  #2  
macattack_ga's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
From: Fairfax, VA
Mike,
Sounds like a pretty cool rig!

I'm no expert, but I have discoved that these engines like to rev. Got a tach?

I think 1900-2000rpm is the sweet spot.

I had an '83 RC in college. Fun truck!
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 10:10 AM
  #3  
archer2's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 351
Likes: 52
From: Marshall Virginia
I have a 1991 with the 3.07's and I swapped the 727 for a 618, I still get around 17 to 18mpg which is what I got before the swap.
I agree the best mileage is in the 1900-2000 rpm range.
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 10:15 AM
  #4  
Crossy's son's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,547
Likes: 2
From: Quinton, New Jersey (middle of nowhere)
You're missing tire size......very important factor.
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 11:00 AM
  #5  
archer2's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 351
Likes: 52
From: Marshall Virginia
Originally Posted by Crossy's son
You're missing tire size......very important factor.
Not sure if this is in reference to my post but I have 285 75 16. Same size as before the swap.
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 11:21 AM
  #6  
Mike337's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: Sterling, Va
Originally Posted by Crossy's son
You're missing tire size......very important factor.
Actually, tire size is what I'm trying to solve for...I just don't know enough to work the equation backwards..

When I buy new tires, what size do I want for peak performance?
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 11:23 AM
  #7  
Crossy's son's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,547
Likes: 2
From: Quinton, New Jersey (middle of nowhere)
Is the ramcharger gonna be lifted?

with overdrive and 3.07's i'm not sure i"d go taller than stock but let's face it.....285/75/16 looks nice on stock diesel suspension and stock tires look small.

I think you're gonna find yourself not using Overdrive very often with the 3.07 rears So I'd just go with 285/75/16
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 12:21 PM
  #8  
Mike337's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: Sterling, Va
I have LT245/75/16's on it now and they look small. I wasn't going to lift it any more than the 250 suspension already did.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/gallery/.../ppuser/102573
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 12:23 PM
  #9  
Crossy's son's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,547
Likes: 2
From: Quinton, New Jersey (middle of nowhere)
Yea that's cuz they are hardly 31" tall.
Reply
Old Jan 12, 2011 | 01:51 PM
  #10  
Trebor's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,167
Likes: 2
From: SW Pennsylvania - Greene County
Originally Posted by Mike337
I have LT245/75/16's on it now and they look small. I wasn't going to lift it any more than the 250 suspension already did.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/gallery/.../ppuser/102573
That forum tells me [and probably a few other non-members over there]:
You do not have permission to view the images in this category.

A TALL SKINNY tire will usually get better fuel mileage than a wide lower profile version. The other variable is tread design which slightly alters the rolling resistance.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:04 AM
  #11  
KAyers's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: Springtown Texas, the land of MILFs and Honeys
I hear you on liking the taller tires for aesthetics. I run the 285s on my junk too. But, a narrower tire will make a remarkable difference in fuel economy. You might look closely at the 255/85/16 size tires. They are tall but skinnier than the 285s are.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:11 AM
  #12  
Crossy's son's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,547
Likes: 2
From: Quinton, New Jersey (middle of nowhere)
Problem is the only tread pattern they offer in 255/85/16 is M/T and he may not want the noise of M/T's
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:41 AM
  #13  
82shovel's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
From: Tucson, AZ
I use this calculator to figure out what happens when I change tire sizes

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

And I like this one to figure out what those different sizes will do to rpms at given speeds.

http://www.ringpinion.com/Calc_RPM.aspx
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 04:48 PM
  #14  
GLHS's Avatar
Registered User
15 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 722
Likes: 0
From: Brighton CO and Cheyenne WY
I would run 265/75/16 or 235/85/16 for mileage (same height).

The bigger the tire, the more rotating mass too.

My "tall, skinny" tires, aren't doing so good for mileage; 255/85/16s M/T's and 62 lbs each.
Reply
Old Jan 13, 2011 | 06:55 PM
  #15  
G1625S's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 4,767
Likes: 5
From: port crane, NY
Originally Posted by GLHS
The bigger the tire, the more rotating mass too.
.
Yup. I went to h2's (315-70-17) from stock 2nd gen steelies (315-75-16). I could almost juggle the h2's whereas the steel rim/lot's of rubber combo was super heavy! The reduced rotating mass made a noticiable difference, imo. truck felt like I swapped in 4.10's. If I were in the original posters spot, I'd go with 235-85's or 255 85's for best mileage.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:31 PM.