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BC847 05-08-2007 10:09 PM

Firm your brake pedal with wire braided hoses.
 
Folks, this isn't so much a "How To" as it is a Primer for the installation of Stainless Steel Braided Brake Hoses. Should you decide to make this upgrade, there's a good chance you might get snagged by the Gotcha! that got me. http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/blah-rainedon1.gif

As part of a recent brake system overhaul, I included replacing the OEM reinforced rubber hoses with some wire braided type. In most cases, they prove much less likely to expand under the normal operating pressures as compared to OEM. That translates to a firmer pedal as well as a quicker system overall.

The thing I ran into is that when it comes to these braided hoses, coupled with the age of our line of trucks, there's a limited selection available. Those available apparently come with what I'm gonna call a Standard Mounted hard-line connector. Naturally, my heap's otherwise. http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/a...headonwall.gif

NOTE: I'm working on the typical 1993 W250 running OEM Dodge issue caliper and drum brakes. Another truck's mileage may vary though I'm fairly sure things are very similar with an older rig.


As always ~ SAFETY FIRST!

- Chock the wheels as needed.
- Disconnect the Negative battery cable from the battery.
- Have a known good fire extinguisher within sight.
- Have a clean, uncluttered work area.
- Have good lighting.
- Considering you may be lifting/holding the vehicle with a jack and safety stands, be sure they're rated for the load with a good safety factor. Don't cut any corners here. Cinder-blocks WILL kill you! When considering all this, don't forget to include a strong, level area to park the truck.
- With any work I do, I usually power wash everything the night before. If you don't have the means at home, the local car-wash works well. If you don't walk away soaking wet with gritty/grime on your face, you need to strike it again.




Anyhoot, for the most part, it's simply replacing the existing hardware. ;)


BUT!

My front caliper hoses are of a design such that it's mounting to the axle involves some angles. Using space age props, I've illustrated below how my OEM hose(s) connect to the front axle.

As you can see, the hose is mounted at an angle to the axle. This is to allow proper location of the flexible hose when considering the hose extending and compressing during the act of steering the truck. The assembly is nothing more than a hose attached to a plate with a hole for a bolt. There's also a small tab that is bent down so as to key with a hole in the axle tube. ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...seMounting.jpg



The new braided hoses don't have such a mount (at least that from Earls doesn't). They use the Standard Mount. That being the hose attach's to a round metal nut that has wrench flats on one end of it, and a groove for the typical metal C-clip found often in brake hydraulic systems. You'll see what I mean in the following images.

As such, I had to make a bracket that would mimic the OEM mounting of the hose. I had some 12ga L-stock under the barn that I cut to the appropriate length, then drilled a hole for the hose connector and mounting bolt. When it came to the TAB, I temporarily installed the bracket with it's bolt and after positioning the bracket similar to the OEM affair, using a punch, I deeply dimpled the bracket at the corresponding key-hole of the axle tube. You can barely see the dimple here. You can also see the Standard Mount of the new hose that I refer to. ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...ewMountTab.jpg



Folks, you need to make this bracket of substantial metal as in its normal use, the steering left and right, pushes and pulls on the mount. You don't want this to brake as your steel hard-line will break shortly there after. That's no way to get out of cutting the grass.
After fashioning the brackets, I rounded the corners, sanded the edges, and painted them so they'd last. My hose Kit didn't come with the metal C-clips, but your better stocked parts house should have plenty.

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...tHoseMount.jpg



The bracket allows the new hose built to the same dimensions as the OEM to extend fully . . . . . ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...eExtension.jpg



As well as Compress without undue strain. ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...ompression.jpg



With any work on brake system banjo type fittings commonly found on calipers, always use new crush washers. ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...njoGaskets.jpg

BC847 05-08-2007 10:10 PM

The main front axle flexible hose swaps right out. ;)

OEM Hose. ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...eBrakeHose.jpg



Replaced by the Braided. (NOTE: When removing the OEM hose mount from the axle, before completely removing the mounting bolt, sweep away any dirt under the mount so as not to allow it to fall into the axle tube). ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...eBrakeHose.jpg



That takes care of the front axle. :cool:


The rear axle is for the most part a simple swap as well. The "Gotcha" there for me was that the OEM hose is constructed so as to include mounts for the wiring associated with the rear wheel anti-lock speed sensor. It's all pretty much molded together. Mine was unfortunately rotted to the point it was crumbling. To fix that, I removed all the old mount stuff from the sensor wiring, and wrapped it all in a layer of quality electrical tape. I then split the appropriate length of typical reinforced fuel hose, and slipped it over the sensor wires. I then secured the newly made harness to the new braided brake hose with black wire ties (don't use the white variety as they don't stand up to the sun). Be sure to thoroughly secure the ends of the wire harness so as not to allow the wire to flex at each end. Let the protective hose sleeve flex.
Where the brake hose attach's to the rear axle, instead of a bolt, the axle vent tube is used to secure things. When you get to that end, be sure to check the tube assembly for any blockage as is described in this thread on how to clean it out. ~ https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=115036 (The front axle vent tube is similar).

I hope the image isn't too big, I wanted you to see it all as installed. ;) ~

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...eBrakeHose.jpg



With that, do the typical brake system bleeding:
- Rear Wheel Anti-Lock Device first.
- Right rear Wheel Cylinder.
- Left rear Wheel Cylinder.
- Right front Caliper.
- Left front Caliper.

Thoroughly check and test your brake system before getting out on the road.



With the above brake system upgrade, I'm able to sense an improvement in the quality of the brake pedal feel. ;)


I hope this proves helpful to those pondering such an upgrade. Perhaps if only to save you a few surprises. [coffee]

Murf 05-09-2007 01:55 AM

Again, Excellent write-up BC! And thanks for taking the time to do the pics.

Just one question tho! Part Numbers? That would be ---> :cool:

Biggator 05-09-2007 06:47 AM

Great post, thanks for taking the time to illistrate the swap out for us...

I would feel comfortable switching out my lines after reading that...(I know just enough to be dangerous)

Ggg 05-09-2007 06:58 AM

What was the cost to do this swap?

crobtex 05-09-2007 07:14 AM

Very well done. This should be put in the Tech Facts or How to section.

BC847 05-09-2007 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Murf (Post 1500338)
Just one question tho! Part Numbers? That would be ---> :cool:

I am pleased y'all find this helpful. ;)

The Stainless Braided hoses used in this project are Earl's Performance Hyperfirm Brake Lines as found in Summit Racing Equipment ~ http://store.summitracing.com/egnsea...0+115&y=9&x=31

:)

whereswaldo250 05-09-2007 09:08 PM

Sweet, yet another great write up[guitar] great job[coffee]

BearKiller 05-09-2007 11:27 PM

Another Home-run
 


:cool: I still think I am the smartest man alive; but, you are gaining a measure of respect.[guitar]

I just talked to the guy at the DOT stainless hose/Classic Tube place that has ads in all the truck magazines.

He said they could make what I need, in any length, stock or longer, with the necessary factory ends on them, for around $35 a pop.

He also said they can make braided stainless gauge lines.

I am considering braided lines for the gauges, long enough to get them to the fire-wall, and go with the flexible plastic inside the cab, where stuff is more crowded.

And, I am DEFINITELY doing the brake lines.

Bookshelf 05-10-2007 12:20 AM

Almost every first gen I go look at for sale has a horribly neglected brake system. Certain parts of your article where you say this or that was crumbling is usually a best case scenario at this point in time. Good writeup, I think Skyjacker has lines too, and Goodridge and Russell have them also. Everyone should keep an eye on their hard lines also, especially in the rust belt.

iker42 07-10-2007 09:47 AM

Added to the Wiki

done_my way 02-10-2012 09:54 PM

For what its worth, every Dana 44 (1/2 or 3/4-ton gasser) that I have seen in the 1st Gen Dodges has had the hard line-to-caliper hose bracket method of securing the flex line. Same exact set-up, bolt, clip etc... Just fwiw...

RonA 02-10-2012 11:44 PM

I put them on mine last year and couldn't tell any difference. Still got lousy brakes.

BC847 02-11-2012 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by RonA (Post 3076922)
I put them on mine last year and couldn't tell any difference. Still got lousy brakes.

Must have done something wrong, Ron. :D

schamran 09-02-2014 10:31 PM

Has anyone had any luck finding lines recently? All I can find for the banjo fittings are the round style fittings, like the ones on the bottom of this pic. I am keep imagining them loosening up after a few lock-to-lock turns. The edges of the "block" style fitting engage the caliper, so it isn't allowed to work the banjo bolt loose. Thoughts?

http://www.fulltiltstreetrods.com/brakelines-cu2.jpg


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