Finaly got the motor torn apart and in the machine shop. Two cylinders were BAD!!!
Sorry for all the posts, but you guys hit my wheelhouse. Have you ever heard the term "blue printing"? This is the process of putting ALL the tolerances in the EXACT middle of the range. Any good racing engine is both balanced and blue printed...Mark
And since it's a 6 Cylinder, in-line or not, I would do all the cylinders the same.
Blue printing a diesel can be good, but it might take forever to break it in. Those old 12 valves were known to break in at 50K, today they are 100K. Cummins has a higher standard then other makers in this size. That's because it's this same engine is used in many industrial applications too.
A close to blueprint is good enough. I've built many a pumper in the last 45 years. I cannot ever recall losing one or may heats for that matter.
I agree with that, but I would definitely balance. Even a diesel.
And since it's a 6 Cylinder, in-line or not, I would do all the cylinders the same.
Blue printing a diesel can be good, but it might take forever to break it in. Those old 12 valves were known to break in at 50K, today they are 100K. Cummins has a higher standard then other makers in this size. That's because it's this same engine is used in many industrial applications too.
A close to blueprint is good enough. I've built many a pumper in the last 45 years. I cannot ever recall losing one or may heats for that matter.
And since it's a 6 Cylinder, in-line or not, I would do all the cylinders the same.
Blue printing a diesel can be good, but it might take forever to break it in. Those old 12 valves were known to break in at 50K, today they are 100K. Cummins has a higher standard then other makers in this size. That's because it's this same engine is used in many industrial applications too.
A close to blueprint is good enough. I've built many a pumper in the last 45 years. I cannot ever recall losing one or may heats for that matter.
What you need to do is look at the tolerances in the FSM and try to hit the middle of the range. You should not guess on this stuff. The Non-IC engines are not sleeved from the factory, but any engine can be sleeved. I am not sure when they started sleeving the engines from the factory. This is where a good machinist really earns his money. There are tolerances for rings, pistons, ring gaps, out of round, you get the picture. I would take it to a good machinist and he can tell you what it needs. Bore it out the MINIMUM that will bring it into tolerance...Mark

...Mark
I would not worry about "blueprinting" it. If you measure everything out, you will be surprised how close they are. The main objective of blueprinting is to get the deck height where you want it. The factory usually is within 0.005". They use different "grades" of pistons to accomplish this.
cheers,
Douglas
Blueprinting includes main bearing clearance, rod bearing clearance, cam bearing clearance, valve stem clearance, etc., etc., this is why a good machinist is ssencial...Mark
The original pistons and cylinders are made to the factory tolerances. When you order 40 over you get that you bore it 40 over and you still have the factory tolerance. But if you order some other manufacturers pistons they will tell you what tolerances to use.
Forgive me, but are you saying that you would install them without checking? I don't care how well something is made, it can be done badly. The boring bar may have been badly adjusted or the part was badly made. I leave NOTHING to chance and I don't trust anything that my eyes don't see, especially if it is going into my engine. Also, as I said before, why 40 over, if 10 or 20 would do it? Remember, the more metal that you take off, the closer to the water galley you get and the higher temperatures that follow. I would do the minimum that brings it into tolerance,,,IMHO...Mark



