I got looking at PDR and I seen they list 3 types of injectors for the 1st gen trucks. Now I need someone to explain me something...
PDR2210190-K Bosch 190 Performance Injectors 91.5- 93 $498.75
PDR2210185-K Bosch 185 Performance Injectors $1025.00
PDR2210POD-K Lucas "Prince of Darkness" Injectors $550.00

Why is there such a price jump on the 185's? And while we're at it someone explain to me these things called EDM's? I've heard talk of them but thats about all... I'm aware these are pricy toys but where can you get them... how much better are they powerwise as apposed to POD... and are the worth the extra money? BTW smoke doesn't bug me... Makes me smile

So yeah... give me a hand here...

Mike

 

POD's are the best bang for the buck if smoke doesn't bother you.

Those are not US dollars BTW.

 

''Those are not US dollars BTW.''


I don't think he's in the US

 

EDM=Electronic Discharge ummm, Machine, I think...not real sure, but the holes in the tips are created by starting with a blank and cutting fresh holes, maybe w/a laser or something super accurate like that. The result is a very precise injection event. Extrude honed injectors are the 'normally' priced units. They get the holes bigger by taking a stock nozzle and pushing a harsh abrasive through it. This method yields more flow but not a very precise injection event---slobbering, dribbling etc...more smoke for the same power as with an EDM that doesn't smoke as much, or at all. There isn't an off the shelf EDM for first gens..I got what little I know from second gen forums, so some of this may not apply. Bottom line for the VE crowd is PODs are the way to go, unless you want to spend big $$ on custom edm's. Someone who actually know all the acronyms and details hopefully will chime in soon

g

 

Thanks G1625S for the help. I'd still like to know a bit more on the EDM's. They're kind of a foreign object to me and I'm guessing some here in the first gen crowd.

Oh and dont forget the pricing... like I was asking above. Whats with a 185 being more expensive than a 190?

 

the 185-190 issue was Bosch's doing, though I can't remember why, nor can I find the thread that mentioned it....Search a bit on DonM...he 'da man when it comes to the EDM, from what I've read

 

About a year ago Bosch basically doubled their dealer price on several parts to try to cut down on "tampering". The 185's were one of those parts. PDR did some research and came up with the 190's. If you are going to use the truck to tow heavy, or if the idea of a truck that puts out an eye-watering haze at idle bothers you, you should get the 190's. Also, if in-town fuel economy is important, get the 190's. If a stinky, smoky, thirsty, high powered, high EGT monster is what you are looking for, POD's are your injectors.

EDM is Electron Discharge Machining. It can drill very small precise holes, which is handy for making fuel injectors. If you have very deep pockets Don M would probably make you a set of injectors that will make more power than POD's with less smoke and better fuel economy. He has discontinued regular production of 1st gen injectors as of a couple years ago, and he doesn't even do 12 valves any more last I heard. POD's and 370's are so cheap for the 1st gens and 12 valves that there is too small a market to justify him making the EDM's for our application.

 

''Electron Discharge Machining''

close, hehe, only horseshoes and hand grenades, eh? Thanks for the clarification, Dave. I had it surrounded

g

 

Yes I dont mind losing 1 or 2 mpg's really and smoke... is my friend so it's all good I guess.

It came to mind that injectors are a good idea for what I want... a quick burst of power with lots of smoke. And considering the amount of money I have to spend I dont want to go overboard right now and buy the three guages... Tranny temp, Boost and Pyrometer, so I figured what if I just bought the Pyrometer for now and when I went for my turbine housing or new turbo down the road, I could go for the other two gauges? I dont really tow much and I'm not going too high in HP numbers for now so by rights my tranny shouldn't get TOO hot... I hope.

Also, is there a core charge on PODs from PDR?

 

Chrysler pulled a hissy fit when they finally realized that we (aftermarket companies) could market/sell upgraded injectors cheaper than Chrysler was able/willing to sell plain stock nozzles....so...they went and pressured Bosch to do something about it since the dealers were large customers...
As a result, Bosch raised the price by a full 100% on the 185 Hp application injector.....and as noted above PDR did some R&D, backed up by dyno runs in one of our shop trucks and came up with the "190 Hp" injector.
The label related to the fact that the 190's produce a dyno backed 5-8 RWHP improvement over the original 185's....and there you have it...at least that's how it was exlained to me.

pb....

 

I got a set of PODs that I would be interested in trading for some 190s if anyone wants to step up. The PODs are good runners but I tow and they are not really towing friendly on my set up anyway. I don't care for the hazing at idle either. Plus with fuel prices like they are I need every bit of help I can get.

 

"electrical discharge machining (EDM), a spark erosion technique in which metal is removed as sparks pass between a shaped electrode and the work. Can be used for machining irregular holes, etc. "

Though to be fair, some people seem to be calling it "electron discharge machining" as well.

It allows you to machine very, very, very, hard & tough alloys very precisely. So you can use an exotic alloy (one stronger and more durable than the stock alloy)to make an injector tip that has a greater number of smaller injection holes, atomizing the fuel better at a lower pressure with increased volume, i.e., burning more fuel more cleanly .

 

Like I asked above... what about core charges and will I be safe just getting a pyro?

 

A pyro is the only gauge you would really NEED, but those boost gauges sure are fun to watch...

 

The injectors from PDR are brand new no core charge. I talked to them a couple months ago about the 190's and they said "as of now no core charge" so that makes it sound like they may eventually have to get core's.