i look at my pump today and it is as far up as it will go is this bad why would this be i can not advance my timming

 

Did you take one of the retaining nuts off the pump to be sure it's advanced all the way? The built in washer on those nuts can cover the slot making it seem as though there's no more room to rotate the pump when there actually is. If it IS cranked all the way, the engine will have quite a rattle (like a 24 valve) at idle. I know mine was too disturbing when it was cranked about 70% toward the head, so I kicked it back a bit...

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edit---there's a pic in my gallery showing how the built-in washer on the nut can cover the slot, fwiw

 

will i lose power that i will feel if i bring it down i did take of the nut also what else will happen if i bring it down yes because my truck is louder than any dodge that i have heard the truck was like this when i got it

 

If it is advanced to far then you will probably notice a power increase if you bring it back down. the farthest that I have seen them run up is 1/8 inch obove the stock timing marks. after that you start getting a lot of pre combustion of the fuel. not a good thing at all.

 

Makes for some serious head pressure. I hear 1.45mm is the max pump setting you want for a road truck. I take mine into the pump shop to have it set.

 

thanks so much is ther a way to get close to stock setting by how far it is on the bolt slots maybe if a couple of people could write any tell me how far the pump is down from the top of slots i could get close or is there a better way to do it

 

Have you looked real close for the timing marks. they are at the bottom of the pump on the flange where the pump bolts up to the front of the motor. look real close, you might have to do some cleaning to find them but they should be there.

 

what mark do i put it on with 93 auto with od

 

you will see two marks there. one is on the pump flange, and one is on the back of the gear housing. line the two up for a stock setting. or move the mark on the pump towards the head of the engine for full advance. let me know how it goes.

 

everything went great the truck is now alot quieter

 

I think I need to check this on mine. My 93 is almost as loud at idle as my dads 02 when he first starts it up.

The marks are on the side of the pump pointing towards the fender right?

I got the Harbor Freight S wrenches like mentioned in a thread in the search.

I know the former owner had a shop work on it and put in new injectors and turn it up a little. They must have advanced it and went to far?

 

There are 2 marks. One on the pump bolt ear, the other on the backside of the timing cover, the pump bolts to. It should be easy to spot.

 

I think it's safe for you guys to relax a bit here.....
If you have the two index marks lined up as mentioned, you are basically set at the value indicated on the engine data plate for stock settings...about 12.5 degrees..approx.
If you advance the pump upward you'll have early onset of the injection cycle, or, timing advance...
On these trucks/pumps they are always louder than the later models, including the second gens and it's not just due to timing...
The more advance you have the more the engine sound will 'harden up'...it will become more 'metallic' kinda like the old mercedes did....

A fairly accurate rule of thumb used by almost all of us who have fiddled with our own timing is simply...1/8" seperation between the two index marks will result in an advance of approx 15-16 degree's..... this is right in the ballpark for us 1st gen owners...

If you go "too far" you'll get the hard edged rattle and you'll notice a bit of low end power loss...not huge, but a bit...
On the other side of this is the much improved throttle response or "touchyness" when you get on the pedal to pull out and pass or play with it....
The timing value of 15-16 degree's is a good mix of both low end and upper end responsiveness all in one, so to speak.
This also helps reduce your smoke and gives you a nicer, smoother running engine in general.

pb...