Takes more cranking to start...
Hey guys, I'm running out of ideas here. I read up on the other "hard start" threads but none seem like my problem. So here's the deal. I have to crank my truck for 3-4 seconds before it starts. I know that doesn't sound like a lot of time but it actually is when you're cranking. If I give it a tiny bit of throttle it'll start right up. My previous 12v started right up without any throttle. Here's a list of things that I have checked and are ok:
1) Fuel shutoff solenoid is good and arm length is within spec. 2) Grid heaters are working. 3) Fuel filter and pre-filter are brand new. 4) Fuel pressure is within spec. 5) Throttle cable is within spec. 6) Batteries are only a year old. 7) Battery contacts are clean and new; cables are good. 8) The idle is set right at 800 with A/C on and in drive. The only other thing I can think of is the starter. It's starting to slow down a bit. But would it make that much of a difference?? I mean, like I said, the truck starts right up with a tiny bit of throttle while cranking. Any other ideas? |
Where is your idle at? I've heard with the 12v's, a little bit of throttle input may be required to get them going. Haven't had an issue with my truck yet though. Low idle can cause a slow start though.
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Originally Posted by Tate
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Where is your idle at? I've heard with the 12v's, a little bit of throttle input may be required to get them going. Haven't had an issue with my truck yet though. Low idle can cause a slow start though.
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Is this every start, or just a cold start?
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Originally Posted by Tate
(Post 1865920)
Is this every start, or just a cold start?
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my truck does the same, it might have to do with your overflow valve the spring in there being worn out. yah i doubt the starter is the cause, its deffinetly a fuel delivery issue, not too significant but it would be nice to just bump the starter and have the truck start. i'll take a look and let you know what i find
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Try bumping your idle up a touch more. I noticed with mine, a little goes a long way.
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Thanks for the responses. I set the idle just a little bit higher and it didn't change anything. As for the overflow valve, it could be the culprit but I'm not too sure. Before, I was seeing a little low fuel pressure so I took the spring out of the OF valve and stretched it to where I got the correct fuel pressure at idle and at WOT.
What do you guys think of the lift pump? Could that be getting weak; thus, not supplying enough fuel during initial cranking? |
Since it fires up right away if you touch the throttle, I think it is a problem with the IP. Does the governor springs have any affect on this?
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Originally Posted by 95dodgectd
(Post 1865943)
my truck does the same, it might have to do with your overflow valve the spring in there being worn out. yah i doubt the starter is the cause, its deffinetly a fuel delivery issue, not too significant but it would be nice to just bump the starter and have the truck start. i'll take a look and let you know what i find
check teh rubber return lines and the steel lines for leaks... if u touch the throttle and it starts quick, then bump up your idle as suggested, worked for mine. OFV, if it hasnt been replaced in the last 75K miles, a new one isnt a bad idea.. Rick |
Factory service manual says not to trust the dash tach for setting idle.
I do it by ear. |
Originally Posted by Tate
(Post 1866560)
Since it fires up right away if you touch the throttle, I think it is a problem with the IP. Does the governor springs have any affect on this?
I'll check for leaks in fuel lines. Do you think a new overflow valve would perform any differently than an old OFV with a modified spring? As long as fuel pressure is within spec it must be doing it's job right? At this point I'm still leaning towards the starter. I know it's slowed down a bit, but maybe more than I'm assuming is ok. I'm going to get the contacts and see what happens. Wouldn't hurt anyway. I'll have to wait until I find some time again though. For now it's starting ok. Started it this morning at 15 F and it started right up with a tiny touch to the throttle. I did have it plugged in though. Thanks for the suggestions so far guys! |
hi
mine is ths same , it fires right off with a light touch to the pedal ? idles on its own after 15- 30 sec even when cold 20 deg. idles right away when warmer . my idle is where i like it a little slower than most , soo i aint gona change it as i dont like it slamin into gear from netrual and i aint to lazy to touch the pedal to start it !! i refuse to become totaly useless ! i just ordered a new ofv for it just because i have no clue if it has correct fuel psi e bay bosch under $30.00 . when it warms up outside i may check the fuel psi but i will have to drill / tap the banjo first . |
Update: Ok guys, just got done rebuilding the starter. As I felt, that was the problem! The truck fires right up now. You guys might want to look into replacing your starter contacts as well. Here's my old contacts, pretty worn:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../Contacts1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../Contacts2.jpg If you want to change the brushes out while you're in there, make sure you have a soldering torch. Soldering guns won't cut it. However, I would say you don't even need to change out the brushes. Just open it up, clean the armature contacts and be done with it. |
Too bad I had not read your thread earlier as I could have saved you some troubleshooting time. I had this problem about a year or so ago with the same symptoms. Got the same helpful advice but fortunately, I targeted the starter early on in the troubleshooting process.
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