Wow has this thread stirred up a can of worms

Back to the question, is it difficult to remove the cat for testing/evaluation?

Thanks
Shane

 

THats whats got me a little fired up.. I went out and talked harshly about other sites on a thread at the DTW due to someone slamming Jacks site. I went on about the family atmosphere and the freedom from the big venders, big brother etc controlling the site. I mean, I left the TDR because they kept deleting posts on me with no message due to bringing in a non approved vendors product review (not a link) or posting a link to this very site.

I am just not clear on how this affects this site only and not the others.

 

Sorry for the rant Shane,


Removal of said device is not easy. The factory clamps were installed by heavy hands and the pipes are crimped from the clamps, therefore I had the assistance of a vendor on the fabrication of a "test pipe" for its installation. I am currently still "testing" my truck..

 

I agree, talking about breaking a law, to my knowledge, is not illegal..........I could be wrong here, but does tampering with emissions controls constitute criminal charges or is it a matter of just a fine?........I suppose this could be different depending on where you live.........

It is sad when so called free speech gets stifled in this way because of fear of lawsuits ........as a Canadian, I recognize that frivolous lawsuits are much more prevelant in the US but to suggest you are not responsible for your own actions or to suggest that ignorance of the law is OK, or that a person or group that suggests you break the law is now liable for your own actions is incomprehensible to me.

As it has already been mentioned, we can find several threads in this forum right now that depict, describe or illustrate breaking the law but they appear to go unregulated - why?
Because it is unreasonable and we have reasonable moderators here!

I find it somewhat amusing that I just received a link from a thread here just before I read this thread that allowed me to watch reckless street racing and that appears to be acceptable but discussing the good and bad about removing a catalytic converter is unacceptable, illegal behavior?.........This website is not liable for my actions........I cannot sue this website if I decide to street race and get fined..........or worse.......

The law still must be able decide what is reasonable and what the original intent was in showing such illegal acts..........

I may be way off base here in the eyes of the moderators - I'm not sure.........this problem seems to have raised some deeper concerns for me........

If I am out of line, please PM me and tell me so........I'm not interested in ruffling feathers for no reason......

 

Unfortunately, when otherwise 'light handed' moderators / site owners take such a 'heavy hand' on certain topics such as this, there is a good behind the scenes reason for their doing so, and usually, you don't want to know why.

It sucks, but you really can't blame the site owners. They usually don't have the time, money, or inclination to fight court battles over the ability to post certain topics on their message boards. While, yes, topics such as removing a part from a truck that WE own is mild in comparison to talking about terrorism or stuff like that, the EPA apparently takes it very seriously.

I'm just thankful that we have sites such as this, and I thank Jack and the other moderators and operators of this site for keeping it up.

Thanks for the replies everyone! Seeming as its so dang hard, I'll probably just take it to an exhaust shop and have them check it out there. If its plugged, I'll just keep it to myself as to how I'll solve that.

 

A shop won't take it off for you either. Best way to remove it and check if it's plugged is to heat the ends where the clamps were red hot with a oxy/acetylene torch and jiggle it back and forth till it comes off. On on the ones I've checked the front aways comes off easy while the back where it goes into the muffler can be a bear.

 

Cat removal threads will ALWAYS be closed down here at DTR. I don't care how any other site deals with the issue as I am not liable for what goes on elsewhere. As a site owner here, I am liable for issues you gentlemen may sometimes decide to discuss while on this site. The depth of that liability has already been tested on other sites, and I don't care to pay a heavy fine just so you don't have to feel like we are being heavy handed in our moderating.

We supply this site for your use FREE of charge, all we ask is that you follow a few simple rules while you are here. One of those rules you agreed to is to NOT post anything that is against the law. Threads regarding removal of federally mandated smog devices, (whether you like them or not) is not going to be allowed here.

Yes there is a big difference between someone bragging about how much smoke he made, and posting directions on how to break a Federal law. If you can't see the difference then there is certainly no reason for me to waste my time trying to convince you.

Bottom line is Jack and I are not willing to take the risk of being hit with a big lawsuit over this issue, I doubt seriously any of you would be willing to do the same. We respect your right to share information here, all we ask is that you do it in a way that won't get us in trouble.

Here is a portion of the rules you all agreed to when signing up here:

"You agree, through your use of the DieselTruckResource.Com forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, racially based or biased, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law."