SeaW250

Did the Borgeson shaft upgrade (rag joint version) on my 93 and the steering improvement was massive. Best $155 (Jegss sale price) and 2 hours spent in recent memory (on a car, at least). The OEM Mopar coupler had been recently "rebuilt" by the PO and was full of slop. Over 1/4 turn of dwell in the steering. Truck has fresh remain steering box, new ball joints. Needs new drag link. Box mount has some flex which I'll fix later. But steering still feels tremendously good for a 3/4 ton rigid axle 4x4 with badly worn 285 rubber on improper 6" rims (being fixed next week).

My question for you guys is on the joint to steering box fit. How do you feel about needing to machine a flat for the set screw? Not a swift idea for a saftey critical part in my view. I'm curious why Borgeson doesn't spec a joint and put the set screw hole to match the OEM flat position? I'm sure cost and complexity us the answer. But it's not like these things are cheap to begin with. Granted, stresses are much higher at the sector shaft than the input shaft, but still.

bobva

Borgeson sucks

read these threads.

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...-alert-137320/ read posts 65 & 66 before the the next 2 threads

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...ng-box-299031/ make sure to read post 131

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...y-92-a-301769/

Hillbilly66

I'm not too concerned about it. When I did mine, I took a file to the splines and made a flat that way. I wouldn't imagine that it would hurt anything just flattening a few splines in one spot.

I didn't want to drill the shaft and risk punching the hole too deep and leaking oil. I would think even if you drilled it right, that it would cause more stress to the shaft then filing a few splines down flat.

SeaW250

Those seem to be situations with double u-joint installs not the rag joint version. I'm not an advocate of the double u-joint as the column system is designed needing some axial movement which the rag coupling gives. Plus joint cancellation dynamics introducing unknowns. Not to mention suspect modifications needed to the column shaft. Rag joints are good. They visit monthly yah know ...

The thread is confusing. One pictures shows a steering column pulled apart. And then there is the opposite claim from others (from what I can discern) that the telescoping portion of their Borgeson shaft becomes disengaged (I.e. The shaft is pulling apart and does not have an anti pull-put feature. I think the collar that is shipped loose and instructions state is supposed to be tighter up against the dust boot is supposed to be the anti pull-apart feature).

I'll monitor this closely. Definitely not putting a Cebbie system on. What did Borgeson have to say about this. You know NHTSA can get involved quickly here.

bobva

First clown I talked to was a complete waste of oxygen. Then I got a hold of his boss He finally sent me a check for the cost that I paid for the shaft only after I mentioned the words lawyer and DOT ETC ETC

I still had to repair my column.

comotionman

Set screws on a steering shaft is silly.

mknittle

I have made several of my own on different vehicles I always used U joints at both ends with no problems. If the joints are in phase there wont be any problems. Your drive lines don't have Rag joints do they?

SeaW250

LOL my neighbor's diesel Mercesed does though

mknittle

LOL that's interesting.

SeaW250

Old school stuff for driveshafts over here. But when I started working in Europe I was surprised to see them still commonly used, and mostly in higher-end sports cars (BMW, MB, etc). As either a substitute for a cardan joint and / or as a damper. In the old days before center diffs in AWD vehicles, they were uses in inter-axle propshafts to deal with windup and ISS half-shafts with locked diffs. They are expensive and usually avoided at all costs by designers, if the technology is even known about.

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mhuppertz

I put a Borgeson on when they first came out and ended up through a chain link fence when it came loose. I filed a flat spot in the shaft and used red loctite all over it and it hasn't come loose in 300K

RamGuy84

Go Borgenson shaft and go cross over steering and a good set of shock's and you will be set.

mudbuster

The rag joint in a steering column is more for noise/vibration/harshness than anything else. As long as there is a u-joint for angle changes and a slide for length changes. I have had a Borgenson shaft in for 5+ years with no problems but I am definitely going to go look at it today....

maybe368

Ditto, I installed my Borgenson with rag joint in 2004 or 2005, 10 years without a peep from it. I installed it as per the instructions...Mark

mudbuster

Does anybody know of a different brand other than Borgenson? I have had no problems with mine but I am curious about options.