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To power up or not?
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1995 2wd 3500 auto, KDP tabbed, 235/85-16s, 4" straight pipe side exit. gauges 1987 MJ 1978 CJ 5 1967 M-416 1973 J2000 1974 International Scout II |
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I'm no expert but I remember years ago when I shaved my fuel plate with a grinder. I left it flat with a small slope on the end. I don't know why people pay for them when it's so easy to do yourself. And man, what a power increase! Others will comment with safer advice, but that was years ago and the truck ran great. Now I just deleted the plate altogether.
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1995 Ram 3500 2wd 5.9l Cummins: 100hp pensacola injectors, no fuel plate solenoid or afc, BHAF, 16 degree timing bump, ceramic phoenix friction clutch, 4k gsk, 1/2" fuel line, 5" rigged exhaust, 44" tractor tires just for fun :-) (Ad removed site violation) |
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Do the 3k spring kit and a 10 plate or grind your stock one. ( do a search on grinding a plate)
You should also put in a transgo kit in the trans. It will be a different and much better pulling and driving truck. You should also do a turn buckle mod on the turbo for some more boost. Don't run without the plate. It will smoke a lot and run too high EGT's. TST is top notch and Mark Chapple worked for Cummins a long time. HE KNOWS THEM.
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If you've got gauges just yank the plate! Heck I even tow without one, just learned to know the limits heading up a hill. With 7k behind me heading into northern New Hampshire (some grades to climb) I've never broke 1200 on the pyro keeping speed. If I put the pedal down and gain speed on those hills it can shoot up past 1400 after a few seconds if I choose. It also pulls very hard right past 3k rpm.
Either way, the 3k kit absolutely will make it drive better even if you just slid the stock plate forward a bit. Stock plate does defuel up top, but the stock governer does the same well before (22-2500). Turnbuckle mod doesn't really apply to the 12V's, boost elbow (or pinched wastegate line) is fine. Ditto on the shift kit though.
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I'm not sure what was actually put into the transmission when it was redone as I got it about 6 mos after the rebuild...but suffice it to say it is MUCH better than a stock new trans as I've driven them stock...even my '04 stock trans was not as nice as this. I know it's not a crazy built one but it should be fine for mild stuff.
I actually towed with it for the first time today...helped take a neighbors cow to butcher...so with 1K of animal and about 2200 lbs of trailer I know it wasn't much for a 1 ton...but it did very well even with the steer going berserk in the trailer. I just don't know. I WANT to do it...but then again I don't. Whoknows...I'm just wishy washy!
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False! Running without a plate won't change the amount it smokes, thats the purpose of the AFC. WOT EGT's may increase, but thats due to more fuel. Just like a more aggressive plate.
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'98 3500 4x2 Quad Cab, 24v, 5 spd, 3.55s, CDS 13mm, SDX 7x.012 Injectors, Single S480, Big Stick Cam, FASS, BD Short Shifter, SBC DD, Fluidampr Alcoa Magnums, GM Brake Cylinders, HID Headlights, DSS '98 2500 4x4 Reg Cab, 12v, 6 spd, 3.55s, 0 plate, 4k GSK, 18° Timing, SBC DD, F1 370's, GT37R/GTX42R Twins, Fluidampr Alcoa H2's, Lorado Tonneau Cover, HID Headlights, Espar D5, EMS Hub Conversion |
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So what are the long term effects of no plate at all? My truck already has 281K on it. Even though I'm thinking of modding it I want it to last.
I have seen the pictures of home grinding your plate...not sure I want to trust myself with that or not. |
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If you're making 350 hp with a plate, the long term effects will be the same as 350 hp with no plate. Fuel is fuel, in that regard. It won't hurt the pump. You can hurt the engine just as easy with a plate as no plate.
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So how much power will it make with no plate and do you think it will run well with the 3K GSK and no plate?
I'm more concerned with useable RPM range but if I HAVE to (ha ha) do more to get it there I will. |
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What does the AFC do after boost happens? Answer , it moves out of the way so full fuel can happen, depending on the plate. Right or wrong? If you can go over 1200-1300 egts by moving the throttle without a plate you are doing what the bosch engineers wanted to avoid, by using a plate. Yes you can drive it without the plate. But what happens when your truck gets borrowed, friend, girlfriend or thief, and is run at full throttle for 3-5 miles? Melted pistons right? |
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change them and you will be surprised how much better the truck drives. |
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The plate is there to keep a warantee and limit fuel. With a stock plate, in the stock position, you could run the truck full throttle for 400,000 miles and not hurt it with over fueling. Wrong plate or no plate and you will melt pistons doing the same thing. |
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That's what I want to do but TST told me I could not without putting in an aftermarket plate.
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You can hit 1200-1400 degrees with a plate too. Thats not the catch all. Different timing, injectors, delivery valves can all cause high EGT's, even with a stock plate. Unless you are pulling a big trailer, you're never gonna be able to run WOT for 3-5 minutes. I can get my truck tached out in top gear in 15 seconds. After that, its on the governor and pulling back fuel. So thats a moot point. Quote:
Again, see above about your full throttle statement. Stock governor pulls back fuel at ~2200 RPM regardless of plate or injectors. It'll slowly accelerate to high idle, which is usually around 2900-3100 RPM. At that point it will only add fuel to maintain that speed and load. Go down a hill at full throttle. Its going to quit accelerating on its own. Once it reaches max speed, it will be only gravity pushing you down that hill. The rack will retract to the point of zero fuel delivery. There are plenty of stock trucks that burn pistons. Plenty of trucks with no plate with clean pistons. When I head the head off two years ago, cylinders looked great as did the pistons. I guess plateless won't wreck everything. |
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Location: hour drive north of Spokane WA
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I highly reccomend you go to that popular internet auction site and get a plate for about 20 bucks like I did, then stick in that 3k gov spring. I have my #10 plate set most of the way back and the AFC tuned pretty good. With the tow haul button engaged and a loaded heavy uphill pull I can get hotter on the pyro that one would like but empty it is tough to get into the red on the pyro. I don't have to worry about the wife or others driving it and I don't have to sit there and babysit the pyro either and I can watch the highway and traffic. I also have DDP stage 1 +50 hp injectors and I'm happy with them too. The truck isn't a hot rod by any means but it sure runs nice, stock was a turd as you know ![]() IMO this is the way it should have run from the factory.
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1995 Dodge Ram Xtra cab 4x4 Auto #10 fuel plate / 3k GSK DDP Stage 1 injectors 16.5* timing / KDP killed ISSPRO EV2 guages - pillar mount Diamond Eye 4" single w/ flow thru muffler Backwoods bumpers front/rear w/ 17,500 lb winch XD spy wheels / nitto terra grapplers currently @ 245,000+ miles |
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