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Old 11-20-2009, 08:33 AM   #16
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We need to get on this now . We need some real people in charge people with real down home values. Sarah is so smart and really knows the issues and what is important.
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I am sorry. I am a Red Blooded Republican, but Sarah will never get my vote.
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banshe- please explain your view as to why you would not vote for her?
She Quit. End of story. Said she didn't want to be a lame duck Governer and put the LT. Gov in her place. Only difference between his power and hers was that he could run for re-election. She could have easily kept her mouth shut about not running for re-election and not been a lame duck.

She also has some pretty poor management skills. Her management team run roughshod over a lot of things and she had no apparent control over or even desire to control.

Pretty face for sure but she should have stuck with Mayor of a small town.
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:44 PM   #17
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She has too much drama to bring to the White House. Our country would become the laughing stock of the world if she becomes president. The majority of countries in the world would not even fathom doing business with a woman. She may be only one of the four (last election) with experience working in government, but she doesn't has what the country needs to get back on its feet. Why I do agree that she wouldn't be worse than the tard we have now, I will not settle to vote for someone that's a "get by". I want someone that will improve our country, not be equal to what we have now.

And coupled with the fact that no woman will ever get my vote knowing she would become Commander in Chief. Women are too emotional with decision making to lead a country through war. They are too nurturing.
I hope Ron Paul runs. I will vote for him.
I'll have to respectully disagree with you on this one. While certain traits maybe inherent in sexes, it is not an absolute. I'd vote for Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir.... And just how "tough" is that "guy" in the White House now?
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:16 PM   #18
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I think Sarah could do good for this country, especially with what we have now, but I think there are better choices. I like Glenn but he has not done anything to show me that he would be a good candidate.

We need someone who loves the Constitution and lives by it.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:52 PM   #19
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While I will agree that Margaret Thatcher is not your typical female. I would put her into the 10% category.

Palin was not the smartest person with the governors’ position she had. She sold the governors jet at a loss and end up buying a new one. She said she was trying to cut unnecessary expenses. Not much of a conservative play on her part.

I hope we have some better options for the Republican Party. If she is all we have, I won’t be voting. I can’t help someone into office that I disagree with. Or on second thought, I may vote independent just so it takes away from the libs.
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I'm a life long Republican (1st in a family of Old Southern Dems)....
I just don't get the whole "Palin is the future" mind set. If she is the future guess I'll be a 'future' Independant. Palin is an idiot.....and proves it everytime she opens her mouth.
By 2012 it will take someone a heck of a lot brighter, forward thinker than Palin in her wildest fantasy to clean up the Obama/Dem Congressional mess, if possible. Palin would fold like a cheap suit.
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Think of it like this. She has a large following. The more she opens her mouth, maybe the more people will wake up to what bobo the clown is doing and not doing. She may be not the one but maybe someone with a sack (no sexist remarks intended) will step up and see what kind of heck she is raising and that it is "alright" to call a terrorist a terrorist.
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Lets see,add Alan Keys as Secty.of State,Michael Savage as Secty.of Defense,Walter Williams Secty. of The Treasury. We could have fun with this.
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I like Sarah, but her latest interviews are filled with downright clueless answers. She has her moral compass dead on. A requirement for any leader of the USA, IMO. I like that about her most.

When asked what she would do to deal with Iran to stop them from obtaining a nuke, she was dead in the water. She said she would sanction their ability to import refined oil/gasoline. I like that, but we know Russia wont go for that. Russia will sell them all the gas they want/need. That part had never dawned on her. Are we going to have a naval blockade to stop Iran from getting shipments? Gimme a break. Russia will challenge that.

Dont anyone get me wrong, she is better than what we have by huge margins. I like her. She needs more education in world affairs and more sense on how to deal with our insane challenges.

I would not vote for her at this time.

A list currently floating around for potentials include: Newt ( not my fav ) Gindahl, Pawlenty, Thune. I dont know enough about the last 3 to say much. Old Fred Thompson seemed like my kinda guy last year. We can dream I suppose.

We are in deep poop here.
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I like Sarah, but her latest interviews are filled with downright clueless answers. She has her moral compass dead on. A requirement for any leader of the USA, IMO. I like that about her most.

When asked what she would do to deal with Iran to stop them from obtaining a nuke, she was dead in the water. She said she would sanction their ability to import refined oil/gasoline. I like that, but we know Russia wont go for that. Russia will sell them all the gas they want/need. That part had never dawned on her. Are we going to have a naval blockade to stop Iran from getting shipments? Gimme a break. Russia will challenge that.

Dont anyone get me wrong, she is better than what we have by huge margins. I like her. She needs more education in world affairs and more sense on how to deal with our insane challenges.

I would not vote for her at this time.

A list currently floating around for potentials include: Newt ( not my fav ) Gindahl, Pawlenty, Thune. I dont know enough about the last 3 to say much. Old Fred Thompson seemed like my kinda guy last year. We can dream I suppose.

We are in deep poop here.
I agree, maybe Newt and Palin as VP
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I wonder if this John Thune fella will be the next RR in some respects? Thune is a handsome guy and could draw in the female vote like Bill Clinton did.

What little I have seen of him has been intelligent. He may not even run. Who knows. Its early.
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I hope Ron Paul runs. I will vote for him.
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And coupled with the fact that no woman will ever get my vote knowing she would become Commander in Chief. Women are too emotional with decision making to lead a country through war. They are too nurturing.
I hope Ron Paul runs. I will vote for him.
That's taking a pretty narrow view of women.
I would say that considering the head on her shoulders she could most likely do as well as any man. Especially considering that she will have multiple advisers (just like all presidents) to point her in the right direction.
You say ytou'ld vote for Ron Paul but if you remember he was the "Anti War" conservative as well as being an isolationist. Kinda hard to do business with other countries when trying to isolate us from them and their products.
Those views kept me from voting for him.
We do need someone with his no nonsense attitude minus the isolationism and cut and run views on the war.
BTW- Check out the list of female heads of state and PMs.
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That's taking a pretty narrow view of women.
I would say that considering the head on her shoulders she could most likely do as well as any man .
I don't think it's a coincidence that 44 presidents have all been male. There is a reason for this. Whether it's biblical....

Exodus 18:21
But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens.

Deut. 1:13 From each of your tribes, choose some men who are wise, intelligent, and experienced, and I'll appoint them to be your leaders."

1 Cor. 11:8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man

1 Timothy 2:11-14 says.. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

There was more wisdom and courage in Adam......Experience has been witness of this......It was not Adam who went astray. Therefor there was greater wisdom in Adam, than in the woman.

Whatever the reason , there has apparently been one.

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You say ytou'ld vote for Ron Paul but if you remember he was the "Anti War" conservative as well as being an isolationist.
Those views kept me from voting for him.
We do need someone with his no nonsense attitude minus the isolationism and cut and run views on the war.
What's wrong with being anti-war. At some point your going to have to cut and run. Sorry, but not in the budget to to camp out for life . But maybe the new Conservatives missed the memo on spending.
Granted I'm not a pacifist, I just don't think war is the answer to everything.
I was once told, "Trying to promote peace through war is like trying to promote virginity through.... copulation " ( for site coc sake )

I support our troops as they're not calling the shots. ( well maybe all but the snipers and gunnys) but it kinda erks me with all this freedom fighting talk.
It's always fighting for freedom never anything else.
News flash everybody: For some reason I don't think freedom is the agenda behind every engagement, but it will still try to be sold off as if it were to the American people to try to gain support.
If only we had some empathy regarding the countries we invade.
I just don't think as deep rooted and as strong as most americans feel about their way of life that we would take real kindly to some other country coming here, shooting the place up , violating our women ,( O wait that never happens ) telling us what to do, believe, and how to live ect. ect. So why should we expect them to act any different.
Ahh looky here from two days ago, says we need 30,000 to 40,000 more troops because were facing more resistance. Hmm... I wonder why.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...s-afghanistan/

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Kinda hard to do business with other countries when trying to isolate us from them and their products.
I know, heaven forbid we don't get to send the kids toys off the lab to check for lead anymore.
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I don't think it's a coincidence that 44 presidents have all been male. There is a reason for this. Whether it's biblical....
Hmmm lets see;
Because women have primarily been the cooks and babysitters for most of the 200+ years that this country has existed?
They now hold more positions of power.....even with the existence of a sexist workplace. Don't get me wrong they have no reason to ***** or whine about their positions....just like the rest of us if they feel they aren't appreciated they can take their talents to another employer.

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Exodus 18:21
But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens.

Deut. 1:13 From each of your tribes, choose some men who are wise, intelligent, and experienced, and I'll appoint them to be your leaders."

1 Cor. 11:8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man

1 Timothy 2:11-14 says.. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

There was more wisdom and courage in Adam......Experience has been witness of this......It was not Adam who went astray. Therefor there was greater wisdom in Adam, than in the woman.

Whatever the reason , there has apparently been one.
Well I would say that if the point of these writings is to say that women are not and cannot be equal to men then those parts of the bible are really F'd up big time!!!


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What's wrong with being anti-war. At some point your going to have to cut and run.
No sir!!!
There is a difference in leaving after the job is done and cutting and running!!! Ron Paul was advocating cutting and running.
Taking out the Taliban and Al Qaeda is not all that's involved.
We made a similar mistake in that country that created the Taliban in the first place. We put billions into Afghanistan to defeat the Soviet union. Then we left with the country in shambles. The crazys came in and established what we now know to be the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
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Sorry, but not in the budget to to camp out for life . But maybe the new Conservatives missed the memo on spending.
Hmmm we are still in Japan. We are still in Germany.
Not saying that we should put bases in Afghan and Iraq but leaving before completing the job would be completely foolish!!!
Ron Paul was in fact advocating that!!!

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Granted I'm not a pacifist, I just don't think war is the answer to everything.
It is in fact the answer to folks who threaten our very existence. The Taliban and Saddam did just that.
Some folks will say where are the WMDs. My response to that is why did Saddam (if he didn't have them) make everyone in the world believe that he did in fact have them and refused to cooperate with the inspectors. Why did he violate 17 U.N. resolutions? Why did he continue to fire on our aircraft patrolling the "No Fly zone" A no fly zone that he agreed to when we left after the first Gulf War.

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I was once told, "Trying to promote peace through war is like trying to promote virginity through.... copulation " ( for site coc sake )
If promoting peace means reacting to an attack on this country (remember 9/11?) then war is the ONLY solution!

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I support our troops as they're not calling the shots.
So would you still be supporting them if they "were" calling the shots and we were still fighting these just and necessary wars or would you just throw them under the bus.?

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It's always fighting for freedom never anything else.
News flash everybody: For some reason I don't think freedom is the agenda behind every engagement, but it will still try to be sold off as if it were to the American people to try to gain support.
Uh You're rambling here....and/or failing to make a point.

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If only we had some empathy regarding the countries we invade.
Cutting and running before completing the task would be showing that very lack of empathy that you speak of.

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I just don't think as deep rooted and as strong as most americans feel about their way of life that we would take real kindly to some other country coming here, shooting the place up , violating our women ,( O wait that never happens ) telling us what to do, believe, and how to live ect. ect. So why should we expect them to act any different.
Tell me that you don't actually believe that our troops systematically raped the women of Afghan or Iraq?
Also please tell me that you don't believe that Afgan and Iraqi people receive the same treatment from their govt as we receive from ours???
If we as a people were treated the same as Saddam's Iraq or the Taliban's Afghan I would beg for someone to help take out the powers over us!!

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Ahh looky her
e from two days ago, says we need 30,000 to 40,000 more troops because were facing more resistance. Hmm... I wonder why.
Because the Taliban (Not the Afghan people) know that we now have a spineless wuss in the Whitehouse.


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I know, heaven forbid we don't get to send the kids toys off the lab to check for lead anymore.
Or sell any of the products we produce to any other country.
Or have the ability to purchase any oil from the Middle east.
Now if it wasn't for the worthless DEMS refusing to allow us to drill our own oil the last example wouldn't be a problem but it is and we have to deal with it.
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Capt Ron, again you are wrongly asserting that Ron Paul is an isolationist. He is an anti interventionist. There is a huge difference. He still believes in trade and communication just not imperialism. And Newt Gingrich? Come on gentlemen, he is as hypocritical as they come.
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