Lift pump advice - Dodge Diesel

Ernst223 · 11-20-2009, 05:48 PM

A buddy of mine has a 04 dodge 2500 and his lift pump is going out. He wants to go with an Air Dog set up. The question is which model would be the best for him? His truck is just stock other than a cold air intake and exhaust and his truck was built 6/04 so what is it, 04 or 04.5? Any help would be great!

soulezoo · 11-20-2009, 06:12 PM

He can go with the 100gph. That alone will support over 700hp.

soulezoo · 11-20-2009, 06:14 PM

On the other issue, have him check his valve cover on the drivers side, the HP rating is there. If it is 325hp/600tq then he has a 04.5, which is what I believe him to have. If it is 250 or 305hp, then he has an 04.

madhat · 11-20-2009, 06:24 PM

He needs to know what it is... if it has a canister mounted lift pump he has an 04.5. Look at the build date on the door. After 01 Jan 04, it is an 04.5, along with the valve cover data sticker.

It depends. If he defiantly is going to stay stock, go with the 100. If he has any doubts... go big.

CD in NM · 11-20-2009, 06:30 PM

I have the 2006 325/610 and the AD-100 GPH would have been sufficient for my truck because it is a stock engine overall, just a few intake/exhaust mods. I decided to go with the AD-150 GPH and will be installing it next weekend. If I decided to go up a little with 90hp injectors, maybe get the 'bag of parts' for the cp3, camshaft, and bigger turbo down the line, I still would not be pushing the margins of the pump. There is a rule of thumb regarding pumps, I cannot remember the exact number that applies, but it goes something like this - install a pump that has somewhere around 35% more power capabilities over what you think the max of the pump needs will be . . so, the 100 would have done the job with little to spare, and the 150 is 1/3 greater. Anyway, you should get the overall idea. I believe that I read that statement in Corky Bell's book, Maximum Boost. The text is basically about designing, testing and installing turbochargers for the gassers, but, much/most all of Bell's information in that text is the standard when it comes to turbo theory. He discusses fuel needs, rail needs and exhaust needs to support turbochargers.

CD

Ernst223 · 11-21-2009, 01:59 PM

Thanks for all the info guys, I will be sure to pass it along!

11-20-2009, 05:48 PM	#1
Ernst223 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 161 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Lift pump advice A buddy of mine has a 04 dodge 2500 and his lift pump is going out. He wants to go with an Air Dog set up. The question is which model would be the best for him? His truck is just stock other than a cold air intake and exhaust and his truck was built 6/04 so what is it, 04 or 04.5? Any help would be great! __________________ 2005 Dodge Quad Cab 3500 Dually 4x4 Lone Star Edition w/ 6speed, Aem brute force cold air intake with amsoil filter, 4" straight pipe exhaust with mega cab resonator and 5" tip, cat MIA, silencer ring MIA, RanchHand Grill Guard, Bradford Bale Spike bed, Limo tint, Stainless fender trim, DeeZee Diamond plate runner boards,Auto meter dual pillar mount w/ egt and boost guage,Cooper STT 265/70/17 tires, SMARTY!!! 2000 Pontiac WS-6 Trans-Am SAC #76

11-20-2009, 06:12 PM	#2
soulezoo DTR 1st Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pollock Pines, CA Posts: 4,211 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	He can go with the 100gph. That alone will support over 700hp. __________________ 2004 3500 QCSB Laramie SRW 4x4, CA emissions SO 235hp, 3.73 posi, Peak Performance BB Twins, engine by Diesel Nut, Almost stock DTR "Twins" Club Member #1 11.89 @ 119.2 mph 1/8 mile= 7.76@94.94 mph 900.86 rwhp/1689.76 tq @ Left Coast Diesel 21 AUG 09 TNT member #2 SAC member #9

11-20-2009, 06:24 PM	#4
madhat The Admin that's here for you! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yuma, AZ Posts: 9,929 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	He needs to know what it is... if it has a canister mounted lift pump he has an 04.5. Look at the build date on the door. After 01 Jan 04, it is an 04.5, along with the valve cover data sticker. It depends. If he defiantly is going to stay stock, go with the 100. If he has any doubts... go big. __________________ Mark 04.5 3500 SRW 4X4 Smarty REVO PoD, MP8, HTT 64/71/16ss, Flux 2.5, ARP studs, ATS stage 4 with aftermarket output, Snow stage 3 water/meth, AD 150, Arson II CP3 mod. 37" BFG KM2 MT's on stock rims and ride height. 636/1266 fuel 868/1778 on a little spray David Dunbar's dyno, 7 Nov 12.46 @109 Coastal Plains, Oct 08 Many thanks to Lary Ellis and the DTR store, ATS, Don M, and Bob W... madhat@dieseltruckresource.com

11-20-2009, 06:30 PM	#5
CD in NM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,090 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	I have the 2006 325/610 and the AD-100 GPH would have been sufficient for my truck because it is a stock engine overall, just a few intake/exhaust mods. I decided to go with the AD-150 GPH and will be installing it next weekend. If I decided to go up a little with 90hp injectors, maybe get the 'bag of parts' for the cp3, camshaft, and bigger turbo down the line, I still would not be pushing the margins of the pump. There is a rule of thumb regarding pumps, I cannot remember the exact number that applies, but it goes something like this - install a pump that has somewhere around 35% more power capabilities over what you think the max of the pump needs will be . . so, the 100 would have done the job with little to spare, and the 150 is 1/3 greater. Anyway, you should get the overall idea. I believe that I read that statement in Corky Bell's book, Maximum Boost. The text is basically about designing, testing and installing turbochargers for the gassers, but, much/most all of Bell's information in that text is the standard when it comes to turbo theory. He discusses fuel needs, rail needs and exhaust needs to support turbochargers. CD __________________ 2006 SRW 3500 CTD 4x4 MC, G56, 373LS. CBH/Ice Box, GDP Intake Horn, Fab Shop Header, ME. PRXB. BMK-11, GDP 2-micron/big lines. ISSPRO EV2 gauges. Smarty Jr. Opie. KORE Leveling, Bilstein 5100's all around, Firestone RideRites, Helwig Rear Sway. BFG AT KO 315's on H2's. Road Armor fr bumper, Milemarker Winch, Ranch Hand r bumper & Headache Rack. Fender flares, stainless rocker panels, Dura Flaps.

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11-20-2009, 06:14 PM	#3
soulezoo DTR 1st Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pollock Pines, CA Posts: 4,211 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	On the other issue, have him check his valve cover on the drivers side, the HP rating is there. If it is 325hp/600tq then he has a 04.5, which is what I believe him to have. If it is 250 or 305hp, then he has an 04.

11-21-2009, 01:59 PM	#6
Ernst223 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 161 My Photo Gallery My Classified Ads	Thanks for all the info guys, I will be sure to pass it along!