PowrStorkthsRam

OK i took my ride to a local shop (i wont throw their name out yet) and the mechanic said they could install a new vp-44 for me. Once they got done i picked my baby up and the shop was closed for the day and of course it was a friday. When i started her up in noticed that it was running a little rough and there was a good bit of white/blue smoke comming form the exhaust.

After a few minutes of running i headed off for home (about 10 miles) without checking it for codes like a dumbie....... as i was pulling out of the parking lot i started getting the dead peadle again and i figured it was just air in the lines so i chugged on.......

When i got home i checked the comes and got 0216 and 1690. Saturday morning i took it back up to the shop and they were closed so home i wet. As soon as i pulled out into traffic and got into it a little (the edge was set on 0/stock) bit it felt like it was missing and the RPS were jumping around and then the check engine light came on and the truck shut off.

After pulling over and calling a friend who recomended this shop and talking to the mechanic we cracked injector lines 1 3 4 and 5 and it was spitting fuel when we cranked it over. Well it would not start at all, it wouldent even try to fire up. So i got a towe and had it taken back down to the shop.

Well they had it all day monday and the better part of tuesday and after numerous phone call back and fourth they had NO CLUE what was wrong or how to fix it.......... So i called for another towe and its sitting at the local dodge dealershop and i am waiting to get bent over the counter when the bill comes in.

After talking to the shop i doesent seam like they have any intentions in giving me my money back for the "work" that they did although my truck ran fine when i took to to them beside an occasional dead peadle

Sorry for being long winded but this is burning me up BAD.

Has anyone had this problem with their trucks shutting off and what would yal do with the shop in this situation????????

Thanks for any comments or suggestions and i will keep yal posted

Junk Man

Install of a VP is pretty straight forward. Read the FSM (pdftown) & view the vids on you tube. You pulled the dealer card too sooon in my opinion. That is the most expensive place around and there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to take a 10 yr old vehicle to them. All of the faults are well documented and there is no special equipment necessary to work on them.

It is what it is. Now you have to decide what to do. If I were the shop, I wouldn't give you $$ back either because you went somewhere else without getting their agreement.

I'd get the truck from the dealer then start by clearing then pulling codes & go from there. Alternatively, pay the dealer only for diagnosis. Perhaps tell them to put an hour into it (only) then talk.

The 216 could be left over from before the install. You could have bad fuel causing the VP to go bad quickly. (MWFI said I had gas in the fuel and had it in the pump they exchanged under warranty.) I don't have a way of proving 1 way or the other.

What additive are you running? The guy i bought the VP from said to use Stanadyne Lubricity (Only). ~ $20 for a 1/2 gal 1 oz treats 10 gal = cheaper than 2 stroke oil.

After all of the above, the next step comes down to diagnosis. Any diesel performance shops around you?

PowrStorkthsRam

I did everything i could and know how to do and it would not start. It turns over but thats it.

The shop that installed the pump had it for a day and a half and they had no clue what was wrong.....

I didnt want to take it to the dealer but that was my last resort because there are no diesel shops around and where ever the truck goes has to go by way to towe truck. I have called several placed and no one had any suggestions.

I am running the edge juice with attitude and i keed it on 1/milage and i bully dog big fuel kit (its just a holly blue pump) and i get 14-24+ psi to the vp, K&N intake and MBRP Dules.

As for additives i juse Lucus fuel treatment. Ive heard good things about it from other guys around here and i dont know much about any other ones but in not opposed to trying anything that works.

The thing that sucks the most is today is the opening day of Bow season and my truck is out of commission.

PowrStorkthsRam

Someone made mention of a bad APPS in an old post that i had. What is the APPS? I havent heard of that one yet

bludodge21111

The APPS is the Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor. and that can also cause dead pedal but ur problem is bigger than that now. Try calling Blue Chip Diesel Performance the Vp went on my truck and he helped me diagnose it at no cost at all. I didnt even purchase a Vp from him. Great guy and the best for VP trucks.

bludodge21111

Also with ur BullyDog fuel kit did that include new fuel lines or is the holley just spliced in and still running through the stock lift pump?

Hodge

[ It is what it is. Now you have to decide what to do. If I were the shop, I wouldn't give you $$ back either because you went somewhere else without getting their agreement].



Boy, I don't agree with that. They turned the truck over to him running wrong. He needs to be careful taking it to someone else and working on it before hammering things out with the original shop, but by all means, they are responsible. To say that they don't owe him anything because someone else touched it is just the easy way out of taking personal responsibility. That is a lot of money to eat, because someone couldn't perform their job, which they led him to believe that they could.

PowrStorkthsRam

OK fellas here what i got from the dodge mechanic....... They said that the pump that was installed by the other shop is DEAD/SHOT. He siad one of two things happened.

1. They installed the pump wrong,
the keyway was not lined up properly and/or the "L" bracket on the bottom of the pump was not installed causing it to jump out of time but he would not be able to tell exactly what happened until he pulls it off.

2. The edge juice with attitued system that i am running burnt it up. The wire was spliced all of that but i never took it out of the 0/stock setting.

The good nows it, its nothing with the computer system.

The bad news, dodge wanted $2800 to do all of the work and since its not running im kinda stuck. The pump from dodge was $2200 and i told them they were on crack.

I just ordered a pump from thoroughbred diesel for $1010 that should be here by friday and dodge is charging me a $550 to install it and make it all good again.

Now i just have to deal with the first shop and hope they give me my $450 back

NOW on the new pump, im not touching any wires or anything and being that i have 2 bad pumps one of which is going back for the core does anyone know where i can have the other one sent to make it a hot rod pump and how much will that cost?

O yeah and the pump that is on there now i got off of the classifids in this site for $600. It is a reman pump and the guy told me his stock pump went and he replaced it with the one that i have. Then after 10-15k miles he put a hot rod pump on his after doing some other mods. The guy even invited me up to his house to help me install it because he had the tools and knowhow to do it but he was 2.5 hours away from me.

SO LESSON LEARNED, DONT BUT UESD PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

PowrStorkthsRam

And the bullydog big fuel kit came with all new 3/8 and 1/2 inch fuel lines and go from the tank to the pump and the pump to the fuel filter.

I wish i would have got a FASS 150 or something similar but im was on a budget at the time.

Junk Man

Check with VP supplier & see if they'll warranty the pump. All I've seen will not warranty if you've tapped the wire.

I'd tow it home & do the install myself saving about $2000 on the project. Tomorrow is Thursday & shop will likely take to Monday & you can have it done by then. It really isn't difficult & takes 4-5 hrs the 1st time. Cost is approx $1000 +- for the pump. Borrow a steering wheel puller from O'Reillys & you should have everything else in your tool box. If injector hard lines won't quit leaking, pull one & take the O-ring to NAPA & match it up. Cumins wants $1.70 for a .10 part.