what kind of motor oil do most people run for WMO? does it really matter or can you run basically any WMO? the reaoon i ask is because i have access to a large amount of aeroshell motor oil but its straight 30W. a company that rents a bay from my dads work drains it from there helicopters often and is always rushing to find a place to take it. they take it for now to the truckin place across the street ot burn in their heaters but iwanted to know of i can run that. i also want ot know of you have to filter it before putting it in your tank? and do u have to upgrade anything fuel wise to run it? like lines, filter, anything? for now i run a stock size fuel filter. i also want to know if u can mix oils in the tank like 5 30w and lets say 10 30w or 15 40w??

any answers will help!!

From what I've heard, it doesn't really matter what kind of oil it is. Motor oil, gear oil, 10W40, 30W, 80W90, it all burns the same. Just be sure it doesn't have water in it and that it's been filtered. Oh, and be prepared to change your fuel filter a little more frequently and get nasty looks from Prius drivers who object to your smoke!

Oh, and dino oil is better than synthetic.

I bet that Chopper oil is a full synthetic. Might want to find out first, I hear synthetic is a NO NO.[nonono]

Good Luck, the synthetic/dino oil debate is like "who likes chocolate, and who likes vanilla".

how do i filter it before i use it? also i have read other WMO threads and havent found an exact answer. what percentage is the SAFEST to run?

If you think you're going to get "the" answer for safest ratio here (or anywhere), you'll be disappointed. No, let me correct myself... the SAFEST percentage to run is 0%. That way, nothing that breaks can be blamed on WMO.
Everyone has an opinion; I've gone as high as 80%. Cummins' manuals used to allow 5%.
I use 10 micron and 2 micron spin-on cannister filters and a cheap Harbor Freight 1" clearwater pump to pull the WMO through the filters. Works great, runs great. I usually mix 5 or 7 gallons of WMO (if I've got it) with 25 gallons or so of B100.
The only downside has been the smell.

Aero Shell turbine oil is synthetic. The gearbox oil can be either synthetic or mineral based.

I'm mixing Mobil 1 and Delo 400 together and filtering using 1 micron filters.

MikeyB

StinkinDiiesel,
that 1" harbor freight clear water pump looks like a good deal about 40 bucks, can't beat that, does the pump have threaded ports or how do you hook up your lines to the pump and the filters, any pics or parts list would be helpful Thanks

do the filters go on the harbor freight pump or do u hae to rig that up yourself?

It's got 1" threaded ports, and I cobbled up a manifold with 2 filterheads on it out of 1" copper pipe and fittings. I'm and ugly solderer, and my soldered joints are ugly as well. The manifold is copper, the rest is 1" sched 40 PVC cuz I'm cheap. I pull out of the barrel, through the filters, through the pump, and back into the barrel- the "in" pipe is against the side, pointed so it makes a whirlpool. The pickup is at the bottom center. I let a 50 gallon batch filter and recirculate for about 2 hours before I'll pump any into the fuel tank.

BTW, the last time I bought one, they were $25.95. I've got 3 on the processor, WMO filtering Goldberg, and finished bio transfer pump, and none has gone bad in the last 3 years. I've plugged the processor's pump with bits of fried breading, beaks and feet and such, but you just pull the impeller housing and knock the crud out.

As far as a parts list goes, I just stood in the aisle at Lowes drawing diagrams of the schematic in the air and generally making the other customers nervous. I wound up with a coffee can full of extra fittings, which is a nice change as I usually end up making a second trip for just one more 90* elbow or something.

Some of us are using 1 micron bag filters and pouring the oil into the filter and let it drain into a clean container. I filter the oil three times before putting into the tank.

MikeyB

The pump I use is rated at 18GPM at zero head, more like 4GPM with 80* WMO through a 2mic filter. 4GPM times 120 minutes = sufficient filtering. I'd filter to 1 mic, but the oil pumps so slooowwwww....

Some of us are using 1 micron bag filters and pouring the oil into the filter and let it drain into a clean container. I filter the oil three times before putting into the tank.

MikeyB

where do you get the 1 micron bag filters?

where do you get the 1 micron bag filters?

order 'em off of Ebay. They were 5 for 26 bucks including shipping about a month ago. They are VERY efficient and effective[guitar]

I added another step to the cleaning. Just received a .5 micron bag filter that I will use for the final filtration before pouring into the tank. My process is to cycle the WMO three times through a 1 micron filter and then the .5 micron.

Approaching 200 miles on my first batch of WMO and running great on a 50/50 mixture of Delo 400 and Mobil 1. 2 gallons total.

MikeyB

I added another step to the cleaning. Just received a .5 micron bag filter that I will use for the final filtration before pouring into the tank. My process is to cycle the WMO three times through a 1 micron filter and then the .5 micron.

Approaching 200 miles on my first batch of WMO and running great on a 50/50 mixture of Delo 400 and Mobil 1. 2 gallons total.

MikeyB

Mikey, is the flow rate thru the ½ micron sock comparable to the 1 micron? I was thinking of doing that as well, you beat me to it! LOL [laugh]

Today I made a connection at a car and motorcycle/ATV service center for all the WMO I can use. They pour it into 55 gallon drums and then have to pay some company to come remove it. So they were thrilled that I wanted any of it at all. Now I just need to come up with some system of getting it home to run thru my filter contraption[guitar]

DD,
I haven't tried the .5 micron filter yet. Will do so this weekend and report back.

Just make sure the oil is clean from other fluids like brake and coolant. I found the 5 gallon pails from TSC works really well for handling and storage.

MikeyB

Testing the .5 micron filter now. Appears to flow around 1 gallon per hour. Needless to say this filter is to be only used for the final polishing stage.[coffee]

MikeyB

Testing the .5 micron filter now. Appears to flow around 1 gallon per hour. Needless to say this filter is to be only used for the final polishing stage.[coffee]

MikeyB

that's some slow flow! [laugh]

If you have any of the black metal 5 gallon cans that race fuel comes in, you can put the WMO in them and set them out in the sun for a few hours till they are hot to the touch, then pour them thru that ½ micron sock, the oil will flow a substantial amount faster.[roll]

I don't know. It's almost 100 degrees here now!

The .5 filter is really thick.

MikeyB

Are these socks just hanging or are they in some kind of holder? Is there any way to put pressure on a sock filtered system to speed up flow or is it all gravity? I realize they aren't actual socks before anyone says anything.

Yes, the bags are hanging and uses gravity.

MikeyB

I have some experience with WMO & will never again knowingly allow synth to get into mine as it seems to turn to a goo in the truck filter & plug it up. Though it readily passes thru a 2 micron water seperator & it will burn with an open flame with less vigor & more ash than dino.
MY filter setup is as follows A 55 gal barrel to settle then a tuthill 50 psi 18 q/p/m waste oil pump thru a baldwin 2 micron filter/water seperator & let circulate then into the tank in ratios as high as 90% if a 2 tank system such as ford uses so you can start on a lesser blend then as soon as she's running you can go to the heavier blend no need to warm further. In my experience.

I have a question about this stuff. I have been running wmo in my truck for a couple months now. And what I do is go get some diesel, then blend it 50/50 with the wmo and put it in a storage barrel. Will the blend need to be aggitated vigorusly before put into the tank ? Reason i am asking is now my truck is pouring out heavy white smoke while running the blend. First few hundred miles i ran it I had the blend in my portable fuel tank in the back of the truck, never a problem till it got near the bottom of the tank. Is the motor oil seperating out of the diesel and hitting the bottom of the tank? Once it gets warmed up it dont smoke as bad....

Can anyone give some insight on my problem...:( Also seems to smoke alot when i get down to 1/4 tank as well

What type of oil are you using? And did you filter it? Would say with a 50/50 mixture smoke will be the norm.

After sitting for a period of time the heavier particles will settle to the bottom of the tank.

MikeyB

Being all dino its not seperating my bet is that your tank is drawing moisture & now that you are near the bottem you're picking enough up to be a problem. Some of mine has set for upto a year without being stired though I do filter before pumping into my truck.

Its all Filtered through a 2 micron filter/water seperator 2 times. Just used motor oil for now. Seems like I get below 1/4 and the smoke doubles, no running/performace problems, just smoooooooooookey :o

when I start my truck after it has sat for 6 or 8 hours I have to hold the idle ip till the engine warms up. Is that normal? I never had any starting trouble before wmo.

yep- I have to baby mine a little at start-up too. My wife started it the other day and woke me up(work graveyard) because she had to start it THREE TIMES:( . This is my 12valve, so I just give it a little throttle and don't have any trouble. 80%wmo...

How risky do you guys think it'd be to run this in an LBZ duramax? I noticed one guy here has a HPCR and runs it. The injection systems are almost identical. I would think I may just have to run less than some of the older trucks. Had anybody ever added anything to the WMO to bring up the combustibility like cutting with a small amount of gasoline? I dont know, that may be uncharted territory just asking.

keep in mind my is a 97 12valve, which is known for being durable.

just got back from a 1500 mile trip running 40-50% waste oils. used ATF, used engine oil and hydraulic oil from a frame machine.

simply dumped 10 gal wmo , than added 10 gal diesel.

no filtering... no processing of any kind. dump it straight into tank.
only thing different is I've been changing out fuel filter extra to monitor condition.

do make sure I don't get any oils contaminated with water.

I've run high as 90% WMO, but that ended up clogging injectors.
go max 50/50 ... for 12v and you will be fine. higher if using only ATF.

pay attention to thickness of mixture.
you equipment was designed to move fuel thickness of diesel. long term effects of running much thicker fluids still remains to be seen.

I'm willing to be the guinea pig for running WMO... so don't run extreme mixtures just quite yet. start low... then work up..

How risky do you guys think it'd be to run this in an LBZ duramax? I noticed one guy here has a HPCR and runs it. The injection systems are almost identical. I would think I may just have to run less than some of the older trucks. Had anybody ever added anything to the WMO to bring up the combustibility like cutting with a small amount of gasoline? I dont know, that may be uncharted territory just asking.

Desert Dually and myself is testing WMO with our HPCR engines. There maybe others too. Have noticed that the engine is smoother and quieter with the mixture.

Only using 2 gallons per tank right now and I'm filtering the crap out of it. Running several passes through a 1 micron bag filter and then several passes through a 0.5 micron bag filter. And the filters are doubled bag for increased efficiency. By the second pass the 0.5 micron filter has a 99.9% absolute efficiency rating.

MikeyB